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i have a business proposal for you

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a heist like no other that's of course

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the professor from the netflix series

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money heist a show that on a lot of

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different levels connects us to my

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interview my end of year wrap-up

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interview with the very excellent al

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borealis from forum borealis now the

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reason that i chose that clip is not

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because al is from spain in fact he's

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from norway but of all the podcasters i

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know if you're looking for one that

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embodies that

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calm compassionate

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intellectual toughness with a vendetta

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mask wearing rage against the machine

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sensibility well in my opinion

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there is one like none other

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i don't want to be telling something

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that isn't true so show me where i'm

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wrong but don't

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march out your sacred cow and say oh no

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you know it doesn't really matter he's

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kind of right on this and shouldn't we

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all just get along [\h__\h]

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look i agree with what you said it's

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incumbent upon us to flush out [\h__\h]

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because there's so much [\h__\h] there

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it comes with the territory because most

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people who are open to that they are

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called society the propaganda and the

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the less intellectual and academically

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trained you are the more it's more like

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a belief thing okay i don't believe this

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so now i'm opening myself up to the

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counter but the problem is the

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counterculture it's not a soccer match

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where you have two equal teams

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and you have to like a tribalist choose

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one that's not what's going on it's one

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and then there's everything else

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stick around for my end-of-year wrap-up

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show with al borealis

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex karis

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and today

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we welcome my good friend and i just

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firmly believe one of the best in the

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business podcasters

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al borealis we shall say from forum

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borealis and last year

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al and i had a terrific time

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doing an end-of-the-year kind of wrap-up

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which i had never done before and when

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we did it we said we're going to do

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another one so here we are

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we're going to do another one

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so that will be a tradition

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so al that's going to be my intro if you

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want to do an

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of your own you can do that like you

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just announced at your end we're doing a

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mutual show today so

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right on to that that's my intro that's

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i i kind of think as a general rule of

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the foundational kind of things oh

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really so how how socialist of you i'm

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more in and let's have some things in

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some uh let's face into it or out of it

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some of the songs are the same so morrow

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exactly although i don't know as well as

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you do because you're a musician and i

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am not i'm not stop saying that but yeah

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oh last year we we ended the show uh

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with a song of mine

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we did remember

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so um that you're do you're putting

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yourself under the gun you're gonna have

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to send me

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no original composition for this year

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uh we're gonna have this show right but

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not in a long time from now we're going

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i hope uh i'm just going to say it to

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the people now so you're under pressure

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skeptical is 15 years old it's become a

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this needs to be

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so i've already concocted plan

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what i would call the skeptical journey

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the skeptical journey it's a pretty

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uh bothered by this but don't interrupt

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skeptical is a pretty unique show out

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there for different reasons i'm going to

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tell you when we have that show and the

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journey is incredible and i've analyzed

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it i've spent a few months analyzing the

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development and i think i have a better

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survey of it than even alex do

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and we're going to talk about that alex

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and it's going to be so fun to pick your

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brain and get your reactions and your

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comments upon uh different faces that

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you've been through and and stuff you

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have achieved and done

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so people you look you can look forward

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to that it's going to be a super

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interesting show we're going to it's

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about so many different subjects

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and obviously we're going to do that

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here too so it's going to be a good show

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how we are going to jive in the future

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it's going to be shows like this

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like a a mutual show each year except

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back i mean it just is but at the same

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so i go through your shows and i listen

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that's just how we all have to do it

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because there's so much great stuff here

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is i learn i learn i learn i learn i

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make tons of notes i go and check out

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what you're saying but it invariably

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i just have to be a sucker for all your

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it's a cliche but it's true i want

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people and people often say when i

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launch a new show they say welcome to

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class or you know something like that

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so what i thought we would do

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because when we do predictions we have

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recorded in 21. this problem isn't for

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skeptical because alex usually releases

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and gnosticism then you only have three

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l range yeah yeah but i'm name dropping

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while i'm going through the list here um

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norse roots

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is

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pretty innovative it's a unique show you

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can't hear it anywhere else

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cracking reality i think is one of the

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best shows

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for the most science-minded people that

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was with anthony peake i don't know if

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you listen to that one

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yes i had anthony p gone recently as

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well

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okay not sure i buy into

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some of his

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understandings of uh brain chemistry and

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its relationship to

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these extended experiences but yeah he's

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got a lot of super great ideas i love

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the guy i've talked to him

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yeah

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i had one on

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the gender stuff with dr glover

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eliminate nice guys gnostic

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stuff again with lawrence karana number

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two there won't be

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released until next year but that's

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going to be one of my favorites

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kabulio's recent release journals of

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henry sinclair if they are genuine again

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it's a scoop like the norse roots the

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freemasonry you won't find it anywhere

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yet

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although it's going to come as a

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documentary and books and all that stuff

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operation igrasil with oola one of your

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favorite pentagon's biggest secret

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whitney cook

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here

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hacking aggregors let's discuss that one

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this is one of my favorites it's a new

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guest mark stavish

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but me and him go back

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a long way back

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he wasn't that aware of that i made him

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aware of it

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then he connected the dots

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but

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um i think this is a special show for

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several reasons first of the guest is

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brilliant he's a brilliant mind although

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i don't agree with him about everything

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uh in terms of

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interpretation knowledge etc

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but that's just an advantage

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but he's

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he's unique in that he's one of the few

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people who has published a book on

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egregors and my show with him i think

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i've heard some shows he did on that

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but i think my show with him

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is the best

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on that topic with him

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at least from what i heard and he he

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recommends it to his students

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listen to that show take notes

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so i'm very pleased with that show and i

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want to look at the evaluation in in my

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website the subscribers that can vote

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vote for the shows uh

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like from one to five and this is one of

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the most popular ones too

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okay why do you suppose that why do you

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suppose that is yeah i listened and you

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know kind of give people the overview

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the agrigore thing

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and how you think it plays out

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i'd love to get level three on that

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because

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i think the the idea is such a fit for

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so many things that we see

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i'm just not so sure that we're

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not stretching the metaphor too far you

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know so it's a talp but it's an aggregor

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it's a damon as uh anthony peake says

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and it's like yeah

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something like that but we really want

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to lock into

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you know one definition of it that some

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guy has come up with so tell me what you

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think no no but he hasn't done this

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thing what he did i could have done what

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he did if i had a witch to do it because

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i have a similar background as him in

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terms of esoteric education from uh not

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i mean

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a very very early one

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and he just realized look there's

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nothing on this out there let me collect

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a bunch of info and get it out

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and it was that accidental too he really

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didn't

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realize

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which what the waves it was going to

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make in some circles which it did so

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i think it was a brilliant move from his

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uh on his part and uh

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there's not that much of his personal

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speculation there is in in terms of how

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it is

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because

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you can have a very clear

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concept of it and clear idea of what it

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is

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but from there

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to decoding the manifestation everybody

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is on their own nobody can say it's like

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this or it's like that this is this is

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it right so there i agree that is going

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to be individual but in terms of the

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understanding

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it's pretty mainstream uh within it's a

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not very mandatory concept

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and esoterica is not a very mainstream

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layer of

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knowledge

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but within that

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he is not being very controversial

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so did you catch that i did and i

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apologize i had my mic muted there as i

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was peppering a question at you so uh

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then why don't you tell us how

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what you think it means to you briefly

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and then more importantly

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how you think it's relevant to

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what we're experiencing now because part

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of the place that it launches us is that

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reality is always in flux the simulation

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hypothesis kind of takes merges with the

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egg gregoria in a very elegant way and

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nothing is really

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foundation that we can stand on and

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how do you how do you understand that

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relative to 2021 and what we're going

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through

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obviously what we actually didn't get

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around to discuss which we both lamented

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and that's to do with covet

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i mean

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one aggregor that i didn't see coming

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which has been building up for years and

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years and years

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is the

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you know

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here in norway

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there are some differences to the

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american culture but

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one negative trait with scandinavia is

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that

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they've had this scientism

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fetishism growing under the radar for so

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long

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and at some point it just became clear

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to everyone that you can't question

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vaccines if you

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question vaccines you you're going to be

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called an anti-vaxxer

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and you're going to be discredited and

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everything so

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even health

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professionals science people whatever

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academic p people who know stuff has to

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be very careful and that's before covet

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and then the whole thing explodes

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imagine if corvette actually was like

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ebola or something

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do you think look we we're returning

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fascists

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from this

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little experience we've had now

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imagine if if the damage of corbett it

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wasn't just infectious it was also yeah

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yeah yeah yeah how does that how does

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that relate to the egg

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well uh i'll tell you but we would have

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uh camps we would have concentration

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camps that would make yeah yeah yeah

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how does that relate to the aggregate

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how does that relate to the ego so the

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aggregor is um

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a big pharma you can't question big

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pharma you can't question vaccines you

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can't

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look anthony farsi coming out saying i

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am science

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this aggregor is the it's an aggregate

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that you've met you met a related

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aggregor

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uh from your early skeptical days when

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you were discussing with skepticism it's

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a kind of the same energy

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but it's on steroids

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and it's specifically um

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going into the lane of

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health or or wax

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yeah that that that version of it or

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that

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it's more powerful than anything else

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you can you can just look at youtube or

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twitter or facebook

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the stuff you can criticize without

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being censored

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is now it actually helped many other

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areas because before the pandemic

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they were

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smacking down on so many different

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things that you couldn't touch

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now with this

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this has become the number one taboo so

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the algorithm is very busy

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removing people who

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just opinions anything about it it

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doesn't okay i'm gonna i'm gonna jump in

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and interrupt and people hate that but

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to me this is exactly what i don't like

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when i say stretching the metaphor

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because we could approach exactly the

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same data points you're doing from any

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number of angles from the technocracy

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angle from the medical industrial

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complex angle from all sorts of

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different dimensions so when i hear you

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and mark talking about aggregaors

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first of all my understanding of

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agrigore is

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something that is

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made manifest by this collective energy

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so it is this hungry ghost kind of thing

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we go looking for

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what was looking for me it's you didn't

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know that you were creating it but you

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were creating it i think there's an

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element to this

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that is happening right now but it would

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be at this metaphysical spiritual level

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we're not going to be able to nail it

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down with fouchy and you know all the

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rest of that stuff and that's what i

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think we can bring to this conversation

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is kind of

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what would be the

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metaphysical implications as they relate

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to what's happening right now

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in terms of the

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where we're putting our collective

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energy and where it's coalescing and

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where it isn't and where it's all that

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kind of stuff do you have any thoughts

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on that you got about two minutes then

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we gotta move on very important uh

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clarification so uh agrigorge doesn't

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have to manifest in 3d they normally

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manifest in a psychic or collective

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psyche

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and so uh they can be met the

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metaphysical in causation a kind of but

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but not necessarily in manifestation so

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just this thing that if i'm going to

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write something on facebook something

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critical

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to

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cover the vaccine or

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i may the aggregate may kick in and i

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may be filled with fear for example uh

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inferiority i'm not saying that happens

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with me but i'm self-censoring

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because the agrigore is making me a way

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it's a very powerful aggregate the

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coveted fear

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or the or the

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vax

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version

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so these are manifestations of this

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aggregate that is now dominating and

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there may be several and they may

568
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,080
conflating and building up a bigger one

569
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,240
but the thing is it's moving now in our

570
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:30,880
culture it's moving now in people's

571
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,559
minds and i mentioned faucio or social

572
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,400
media just because it's a

573
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,679
way to

574
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,080
perceive this in the earlier days in the

575
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,360
old days

576
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,760
if you're going to judge the climate you

577
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,840
have to go out in the streets right now

578
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
we're sitting behind computers and

579
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,360
mobile phones so that's why i'm using

580
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,760
those examples of where we can see the

581
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,120
zeitgeist

582
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,679
how the side kite operates

583
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,919
but make no mistakes the agrigore is

584
00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:00,000
manifesting

585
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,039
in these

586
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,360
vehicles too do you understand what i

587
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,039
mean or was that too

588
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,640
convoluted

589
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,880
no that's okay so now it's my turn

590
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,640
because i'm going to take this yep i'm

591
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,600
going to take it in a different

592
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,720
direction

593
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,000
this my dear friend is an interview that

594
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,640
i have coming up with philip fairbanks

595
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,080
author of

596
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,000
the peta gate primary and it's a

597
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,799
political look at all this stuff and we

598
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,159
got to talking

599
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:28,640
about this history and this important

600
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,480
history with l ron hubbard scientology

601
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,440
stargate but in particular the

602
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,159
connection to the occult or the esoteric

603
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,799
to aleister crowley and to good

604
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,640
old-fashioned i don't know why we call

605
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:44,559
it american huckster-ism but we think

606
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,279
it's

607
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:48,320
we proudly embrace the huxter-ism that

608
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:49,120
is

609
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,679
then we'll have a little chat

610
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,440
the only way to understand elrond

611
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,279
hubbard in my opinion and first and

612
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,840
foremost is a kind of grifter kind of

613
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,679
guy i mean he's just

614
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,320
he's a scammer and he's very good at it

615
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,159
and he's good at scamming people's money

616
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,159
and he's moves in with jack parsons and

617
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,520
the next thing you know he's [\h__\h]

618
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,440
jack parsons girlfriend

619
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,159
yeah and at the same time and he puts us

620
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,320
give him his money and hey would you

621
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,400
also now that i've got your girl would

622
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:20,799
you also give me your money invest in a

623
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,159
business give me some boats and stuff

624
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,360
you know that's a great story sure ron

625
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,640
sure whatever you say ron yeah and and

626
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,480
you know so anyone who wants to reflect

627
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,520
on that

628
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,480
can say i know people like that i know

629
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,720
people in both sense whether you're the

630
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,880
one being victimized or whether

631
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,080
unfortunately you're the one who

632
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,159
victimizes other people you know like i

633
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,039
almost have to respect elrond

634
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:49,360
occasionally because he comes from that

635
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,720
like larger-than-life pt barnum

636
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,559
uh huckster tradition that's so

637
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,120
quintessentially american you know

638
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,840
what's more american than p.t barnum i'm

639
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,840
gonna take a bunch of rubes for their

640
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,840
money it's just so

641
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,080
it's so insane that like they were gonna

642
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,640
do a sex ritual out in the desert

643
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,960
they did i think this is how he stole

644
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,279
his girlfriend i think because like

645
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,440
initially jack parsons was going to have

646
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,880
sex with his girlfriend he's like wait

647
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,640
jack

648
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,080
baby

649
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,919
maybe i don't have sex with your

650
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,080
girlfriend and you could be the one

651
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:26,559
who's like watching us and saying the

652
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,679
stuff you can be reciting stuff

653
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,200
while i'm having sex with your

654
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,360
girlfriend who we will later embezzle

655
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,520
from you and have you start a business

656
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,159
so that we can steal you like it's crazy

657
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,440
yeah so when he does go out and perform

658
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,200
these rights and rituals under the

659
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,200
direction of crowley right because

660
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,360
crowley is in communication with jack

661
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,360
parsons jack parsons reaches out to

662
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,679
crowley and says i'm your number one guy

663
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,159
i want to be your number one agent in

664
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:57,039
and you know uh crowley from all

665
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,400
accounts has a little bit of that

666
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:01,840
hookster in him too absolutely yeah and

667
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,360
he loved jack apparently i think that

668
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:07,600
that relationship ruined it

669
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,480
uh because when he saw he's like no no

670
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,600
no that's what you do to the other guy

671
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:14,559
you don't

672
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,679
the other guy to believe and you take

673
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,720
his girlfriend and his money and his

674
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,799
boat and that's

675
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,240
that's the trick

676
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,120
like and then you say abracadabra and

677
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,320
you know or our rarita or whatever uh

678
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,240
and and call it a day we're kind of

679
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,080
dancing around this other aspect to it

680
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,679
well there's two other aspects to it one

681
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,279
uh is the cia kind of big game

682
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,279
stuff somebody's got to run the world

683
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,200
and it ought to be us and

684
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,880
his connections l ron hubbard's

685
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,279
connections there are undeniable as you

686
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:51,520
said and he kind of wraps himself in

687
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,760
this kind of

688
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,640
quasi-military

689
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,640
amazing kind of stuff and we can get

690
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,559
into all that but then the other part

691
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,240
that i keep kind of dancing around i

692
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,400
can't pin down is and you're not saying

693
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,840
this but i think it's a misstep that a

694
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,080
lot of people take to say oh okay then

695
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,480
it's all fake no that doesn't mean it's

696
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,559
fake it doesn't mean that they were not

697
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,520
attempting to or successfully connecting

698
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,400
with

699
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,320
spirits for lack of a better term in

700
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,720
this extended realm that are becoming

701
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,200
their partners in engaging in this and

702
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,840
have some ability to influence

703
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,080
world events and things down here or

704
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,360
definitely to influence people

705
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,080
the this to me relates to the agrigore

706
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,200
thing that i'm always struggling with

707
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
it's elrond hubbard is a hookster

708
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,320
aleister crowley is a hugster

709
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,840
there's a difference between them uh the

710
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:43,600
difference between them yes but

711
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,520
he took it seriously ron hobber didn't

712
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,640
that no

713
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,240
no that's not the difference i promise

714
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,840
you man no the the difference is that

715
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:56,640
when you start messing with the extended

716
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:00,640
realm you inevitably invariably don't

717
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,679
know what the [\h__\h] you were doing

718
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,320
so the edgar gore thing if we want to

719
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,440
start writing books about it and putting

720
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,559
it into you know fancy kind of words

721
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,720
around it we have to first and foremost

722
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,240
acknowledge we have no idea how the [\h__\h]

723
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:21,600
that extended consciousness realm works

724
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,880
and whether performing ritual sex magic

725
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:26,159
rituals

726
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,840
works quote unquote or doesn't work or

727
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,799
is more effective than elrond hubbard

728
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,799
getting in there and just partnering up

729
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,360
with the cia and breaking into the irs

730
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,240
and stealing documents

731
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:41,919
so um

732
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,039
look ron hubbard from the get-go was our

733
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,360
swindler he was

734
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:49,520
working for the alphabet soup agencies

735
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:50,240
and

736
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,200
he

737
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,159
built up scientology based on

738
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,440
actually not based on oto material he

739
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,080
didn't have much oto material he

740
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,200
basically used secretion material from

741
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,520
golden dawn and from armor

742
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:06,799
now

743
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,000
not just that but the occult elements in

744
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,559
his stuff was from there like some of

745
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,159
the techniques

746
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:16,080
the philosophy was [\h__\h] i mean it

747
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,799
was

748
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,240
low level

749
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,799
bad quality science fiction that he

750
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,640
probably came up with himself i mean

751
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,559
it's not that creative

752
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,039
i've never seen one

753
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,159
example of uh hubbard

754
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,520
uh taking this seriously at least

755
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,320
he can show it in writing or he can show

756
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,679
it in having studied being a committed

757
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,600
member of something a student of

758
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,240
something like crowley have crowley has

759
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,000
written a lot of stuff and been a

760
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,480
committed student of something

761
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,440
they are the same in that they

762
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,960
use their ego

763
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,919
to like dominate

764
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,360
their surroundings

765
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,559
the cornman call them what you want but

766
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,640
i promise you ron hobber didn't take

767
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,120
this stuff seriously when he was when he

768
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,320
went to bed he was just a normal con man

769
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,000
crowley was more of a

770
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,480
metaphysical spiritual psychopath that's

771
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,360
the difference in my view as for jack

772
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,600
past persons he was

773
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,480
a sincere

774
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,039
operator in this now you're saying we

775
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:25,760
can't know when we mess around well yes

776
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,960
or no it's too big for any single human

777
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,360
being to you know know everything that's

778
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,960
going on but

779
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,080
we have

780
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:35,360
tradition

781
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,799
knowledge of every human being on earth

782
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,679
so

783
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,039
um

784
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,080
in every field of society

785
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,919
we are standing on shoulders the same

786
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,679
comes to the metaphysical stuff so there

787
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,600
are certain things we know about the

788
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,919
metaphysical when i say we i don't mean

789
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,000
google or

790
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,919
whatever but i mean there are

791
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,640
accumulated knowledge among human beings

792
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:03,200
about cosmos about the laws and

793
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:09,990
this is being applied now the sex magic

794
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:12,799
thing is this you is a small small small

795
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,399
small segment within this huge world

796
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,279
it's a small segment and not many people

797
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,440
are are seriously

798
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,440
doing it but it gets the attention

799
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,360
because it's sensational

800
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,360
it it's like

801
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:29,760
it it sucks up the air in the room and

802
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:33,440
and people only go for the extreme stuff

803
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,039
so it's not important in human history

804
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,880
same as satan as we discussed this right

805
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,279
when i had you on for evil so it's not a

806
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,519
big thing in human history but it it

807
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,720
gets a lot of attention and so

808
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,000
um

809
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,159
yeah you can manipulate aggregates you

810
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,960
can create aggregates you can work with

811
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,279
it deliberately

812
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,360
especially when you are a person like

813
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,360
crowley

814
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,679
you want to reply to this

815
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,559
no

816
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,559
address your point or did i

817
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,720
misunderstand

818
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,080
yeah

819
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:10,880
move on move on next next

820
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,320
from your list next from your shows you

821
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,279
have the viking show is is uh northwest

822
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,360
and then i finally got randall carlson

823
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,600
on when the earth nearly died and then i

824
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,480
have

825
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:25,360
who is number one which is

826
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,399
people are

827
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,240
wondering about that one what's going on

828
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,880
it even got 11 votes not being released

829
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,320
yet

830
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,760
it's crazy

831
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,799
but

832
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,799
this is going to be about

833
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,120
some of the cultural underlyings of

834
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,519
forum borealis and then we come to a

835
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,519
show when it discussed fourth rush end

836
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,480
game i want to put this out as one of my

837
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,600
favorites why because first off

838
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:51,440
i think it's the first time i have

839
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,480
joseph

840
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:54,000
farrell back

841
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,120
since

842
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,600
i think the last time i was 19 i don't

843
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,240
think i had him on for 20.

844
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,320
i'm not sure i should check that but at

845
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,840
least it's a long time since i had him

846
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,399
back and we wrapped up a very important

847
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,640
thread that we've been working on the

848
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,600
thing that many people associate him to

849
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,519
and

850
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:16,480
it was all all over a pretty good show

851
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,760
it's gonna get some great post rants

852
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,880
from me

853
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,720
when part two is

854
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,399
finished but part two is already out

855
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,039
there for my subscribers in terms of the

856
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,240
show the interview itself just lacks the

857
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,240
post commentary

858
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:34,320
but yeah this is one of my favorites

859
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,279
from

860
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,960
but you didn't listen to that right

861
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,120
because you didn't figure out how to to

862
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,960
open it

863
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,840
i've no but i've listened to a bunch of

864
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,200
the you know i don't have a lot of

865
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:46,480
patience for the

866
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,360
joseph farrell thing i i love in the pat

867
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,200
in the past what he said about the

868
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,880
fourth reich end game and i'm super

869
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,640
interested in listening to it

870
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,039
but to me and you know this my hang up

871
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,000
is you can't totally miss the mark on

872
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,399
ufos and say that it's

873
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,120
you know nazi technology with little

874
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,159
midgets in there i mean it's just so

875
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,560
flat earthy kind of thing that then it

876
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,560
kind of destroys your credibility did

877
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:14,560
you listen to the show i did with him on

878
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,679
ufos called the spider and roswell i i

879
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,480
did and what i hear is like kind of a

880
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,359
reluctant backtracking from

881
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,839
feral you know to get away from what

882
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,599
he's saying but never wanting to fully

883
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,079
get away from and say oops of course i

884
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,839
was wrong of course that's

885
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,839
doesn't make any sense and no that's

886
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,520
projection

887
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,280
you know he stands look it says you

888
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,280
can't criticize graham hancock for

889
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,000
suggesting that some of the alien ufo

890
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:44,399
stuff is metaphysical

891
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,079
you can't criticize uh richard dolan for

892
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,119
saying that some of it is

893
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,359
creatures that are not human beings but

894
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,960
are physical

895
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,879
you can't criticize michael schratt for

896
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,839
saying that some of it is classified

897
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,119
technology

898
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,280
look it's you know this it's a huge feel

899
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,839
and then we have a friend a mutual uh

900
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,400
guest on who has his own spin what's his

901
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:11,119
name we both had him on this year um

902
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,160
new cook

903
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,320
yeah and his take on it right

904
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,040
so it's just uh puzzle pieces that adds

905
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,560
to the whole picture and pharrell's lane

906
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,520
is

907
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,640
the nazi angle and the deep state angle

908
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,040
that's just his lane there's no reason

909
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,599
for him to do what dolan does because

910
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,760
dolan and many other people already do

911
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,079
it and they do it so brilliantly

912
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,359
peter lavender tried to get into that

913
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,480
lane but

914
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,760
no pharrell

915
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,119
pharrell's lane is completely good and

916
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,320
uh pharrell and hoagland both agree

917
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,200
to a far extent about this like for

918
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,599
example they are both open to the

919
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,800
ancient civilization

920
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,599
uh cousins being out there that's one

921
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,240
and they're also open to

922
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,000
potentially

923
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,720
non-terrestrial

924
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,599
sources for this be that

925
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,560
of the planets dimensions time time

926
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,720
travel et cetera so that it's all in

927
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,760
their lore and you'll see it also in

928
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,640
their

929
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,400
writing so

930
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,000
his book roswell and

931
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,760
he was just arguing that

932
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,720
some specific ufo cases especially

933
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,280
around the end of the second world war

934
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,480
has been

935
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:35,109
up basically a psy up to make us look

936
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,240
the other way

937
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,079
and i think that's completely fair and i

938
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,920
know you disagree with this but but i

939
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,000
have to say it for the listener so that

940
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,480
they don't misinterpret what

941
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,760
your take on

942
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,920
on pharrell's attitude is because it's

943
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,640
not correct i see how you can perceive

944
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,240
it like that but but that's not his

945
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,599
message

946
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,880
okay so

947
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,240
i kind of

948
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,160
hijacked that why don't you tell us what

949
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,160
you liked about that show in particular

950
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,760
because it's really what you've done

951
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,520
there is really

952
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,760
terrific because i've picked up bits of

953
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,839
the trail and the borman thing and i

954
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,400
think it's totally spot-on and i think

955
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,960
that he's contributing a lot

956
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,440
in a lot of ways so

957
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,520
you know i'm just maybe going a little

958
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,800
bit too

959
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,599
skeptical on it so tell us what you what

960
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:24,000
you really are are valuing most in that

961
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,960
episode

962
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,040
yeah so when i get him back in the

963
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,599
future apart from doing some religious

964
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,079
and spiritual topics we're gonna do

965
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,520
economy that's where he really shines

966
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,520
he's a brilliant genius on that and

967
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,560
that's ties directly into the octopus

968
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,240
the

969
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,440
circle

970
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:45,040
the

971
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,400
anglo-american

972
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,880
elite

973
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,839
it's tied and what i love this show is

974
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,520
that it's the perfect

975
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,400
segue to discurse economy because when

976
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,079
we come into economy we come into

977
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:04,160
contemporary times more than anything

978
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,040
and

979
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,480
the voice of the

980
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,680
the globalist

981
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,400
corporatism

982
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:15,599
and i especially love part two because

983
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,640
first off i get to read to him

984
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,400
something we call notes on the bowman

985
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,359
conspiracy which is a collaboration it's

986
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:25,359
the only thing you do this all the time

987
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,760
in skeptical you could oh you used to do

988
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,599
it you had a collaboration projects with

989
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,000
your listeners well i've done it once on

990
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
this so they add points

991
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,200
to the timeline

992
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,920
and i got to read that entire timeline

993
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,119
to joseph and he commented upon it

994
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,160
that i really loved doing and also we

995
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,560
covered 911 with him because he has his

996
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
own spin

997
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,560
on many things you already noticed a

998
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,160
youthful thing

999
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,480
i could mention other things but

1000
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,119
one of them is the 911

1001
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,359
it's kind of similar to his jfk

1002
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,839
take it's not

1003
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,839
either of the above it's all of the

1004
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,880
above

1005
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,040
and so for the first time we got to

1006
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:12,000
cover that with him too um

1007
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,200
so

1008
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,040
yeah i think it's all around it's a high

1009
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,119
quality pharrell show for those who are

1010
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,119
into pharrell those who aren't into

1011
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,599
pharrell i think they'll enjoy part two

1012
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,119
i think part one is going to be a little

1013
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,680
boring for them because he's he's

1014
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,400
part one is very nerdy

1015
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,240
particular historical

1016
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,160
fact tweets that

1017
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,480
if you're not already used to this

1018
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,359
narration you may lose the big picture

1019
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:38,960
but the big picture comes back in part

1020
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,640
two so this is uh one of my uh favorites

1021
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,680
for for this year definitely

1022
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,800
great

1023
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,400
we can move on to the next show we don't

1024
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:50,160
know

1025
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,040
but

1026
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:53,280
i will move on

1027
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:57,040
in my in my own skeptical way and as

1028
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,000
people have listened to our

1029
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:01,040
conversations before you know know that

1030
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,560
one of the real

1031
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:05,680
total joys for me in talking to you is

1032
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,520
that we can have these exchanges

1033
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:11,440
and

1034
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,760
it a level three kind of conversation

1035
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,319
which you just we just don't get to and

1036
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,079
i think there's less and less of these

1037
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,640
things where of course we agree on the

1038
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,520
big picture of course we agree on the

1039
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,000
bigger picture now let's talk about this

1040
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,319
other part where we don't agree and

1041
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,319
that's what gets most interesting to me

1042
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,839
so that's right

1043
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,119
in that spirit the second clip that i

1044
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,000
would share with you from skeptico

1045
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,240
is the interview i did with

1046
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,000
mitch horwitz

1047
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,640
and i titled it who inspires you satan

1048
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,000
or jesus

1049
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,119
and let me play you a clip

1050
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,400
from that

1051
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,319
you know there were times

1052
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:58,000
when i was doing jack that i actually

1053
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,200
felt

1054
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,599
[\h__\h] like really [\h__\h] i mean it

1055
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,319
brushed my teeth [\h__\h] i rode bus

1056
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,560
[\h__\h] damn in a weird way i had to

1057
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,280
sort of just free myself up to believe

1058
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,920
that it was okay to be stupid or dumb to

1059
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,200
be a [\h__\h]

1060
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:15,760
yeah to be moronical exactly to be a

1061
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,280
[\h__\h] an imbecile yeah but simple jack

1062
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,880
thought he was smart or rather didn't

1063
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,240
think he was [\h__\h] so he can't afford

1064
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,640
to play [\h__\h] being a smart actor

1065
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,800
playing a guy who ain't smart but thinks

1066
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,480
he is that's tricky

1067
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,960
tricky is that working with mercury

1068
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,119
it's high science man it's art form yeah

1069
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,640
you an artist

1070
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,960
that's what we do right yeah yeah hats

1071
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,880
off of going there especially no not the

1072
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,720
academy is about that [\h__\h]

1073
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,800
that's of course ben stiller and robert

1074
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,839
downey jr from tropic thunder and it's a

1075
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,160
clip that has become somewhat of a

1076
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,560
touchstone cultural icon because the

1077
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,400
full [\h__\h] thing which is part of the

1078
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,920
clip that we're going to get to in a

1079
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,160
minute but i wanted to start with this

1080
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,480
long way around the barn clip on the

1081
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,400
first part because what he slips in

1082
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,560
there robert downey jr does in a very

1083
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,119
interesting way is the reference to the

1084
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,119
academy that being the academy awards

1085
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,280
which in our case serves as a very good

1086
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:10,960
stand in for

1087
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,240
culture and our popular culture and what

1088
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,359
we think of it and how we process it and

1089
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,000
if this intro is a long way around the

1090
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,880
barn which i assure you it is then you

1091
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,280
will have to stay with me for its link

1092
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,040
to today's guest mitch horowitz who is

1093
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,680
self-described historian of alternative

1094
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:34,960
spirituality and one of today's most

1095
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,400
literate voices of esoteric mysticism in

1096
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,240
the occult and he also happens to be a

1097
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,560
satanist now i'm not hating on him

1098
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,400
because he's a satanist as a matter of

1099
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:47,119
fact i like maturity oh at least i like

1100
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,359
him well enough but i'm not sure i trust

1101
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,440
mitch horwitz i'm not sure

1102
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,119
i believe

1103
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,839
mitch horowitz and i guess my doubt

1104
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,240
stems from this character that we

1105
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:03,040
touched on a couple episodes back named

1106
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,079
colonel

1107
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,400
michael aquino

1108
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,960
who it turns out is somebody that mitch

1109
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,720
identifies as

1110
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,040
one of his greatest sources of

1111
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,720
inspiration

1112
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,119
in that same article you're asked who

1113
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,520
are some of your greatest inspirations

1114
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,040
and you mention

1115
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,839
satanist michael aquino

1116
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,960
i mean

1117
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:27,599
mitch come on this guy is one of the

1118
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,520
worst of the worst you know pedophiles

1119
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,319
uh

1120
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,560
no that's that's not true but the whole

1121
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,400
bond hold up if you say if you say it's

1122
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,119
not true okay i i get it's not my saying

1123
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,040
it that's grotesquely inaccurate he died

1124
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,359
recently uh he had no involvement with

1125
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,040
pedophilia whatsoever i'm surprised that

1126
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,720
you say that

1127
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,200
okay back to tropic thunder you

1128
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,280
seriously don't know everybody knows you

1129
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,000
never go full [\h__\h] what do you mean

1130
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,800
check it out dustin hoffman rayman look

1131
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,359
[\h__\h] after tarted not [\h__\h] count

1132
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,640
two picks cheated cards autistic shell

1133
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,079
novelty

1134
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,560
[\h__\h] tom hanks forest gum slow yes

1135
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,720
[\h__\h] maybe braces on his legs but he

1136
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,000
chimed the pants off next to then he won

1137
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,839
a ping-pong competition that ain't

1138
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,480
[\h__\h] he was goddamn war hero you

1139
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,720
know any [\h__\h] war heroes

1140
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,040
you went full [\h__\h] man

1141
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,960
never go for a [\h__\h]

1142
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,359
i love that clip on so many levels and

1143
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,920
maybe now you get what i mean i mean i

1144
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:27,440
can trust you

1145
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,280
just don't go full [\h__\h] on me

1146
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,079
don't ask me to believe that michael

1147
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:35,280
aquino

1148
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,200
is not a worst of the worst satanist sex

1149
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,800
abusing probably murderer of children

1150
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,760
probably pedophile kind of person

1151
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,640
just go read his history

1152
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,680
it starts in 67 when he's in the phoenix

1153
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,280
program which we talked about on the

1154
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:55,760
last episode but that's just the

1155
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,440
beginning he's named in the mk ultra

1156
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,839
program he's named by people involved in

1157
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,880
the franklin scandal in 82. in 85

1158
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,119
there's satanic ritual abuse allegations

1159
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,680
at fort bragg again aquino is identified

1160
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,520
as being part of that and then the real

1161
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,800
ones that everyone points to and

1162
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,640
everyone knows about is that the

1163
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,960
presidio child development center in san

1164
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,440
francisco in 86

1165
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,480
60 victims came forward

1166
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,480
these are all little kids three to seven

1167
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,040
years old and they describe being taken

1168
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,040
to aquino's house

1169
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,040
with him and his wife they describe the

1170
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,640
inside the crazy insane all black all

1171
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,680
red walls the altar the satanic altar

1172
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,480
kids don't make that up the evidence was

1173
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,319
so overwhelming that the police

1174
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,319
immediately got a search warrant and

1175
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,280
searched his house and what do they find

1176
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,000
all sorts of videotapes photographs

1177
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,800
photo albums all of it as we're later

1178
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,839
told but never shown is related to this

1179
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,720
child sexual abuse thing

1180
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,720
cut it off there and appreciate you

1181
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,200
listening to such a long clip but here's

1182
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,599
how i think that relates to

1183
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,839
exactly what you're talking about

1184
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,000
especially this year for me

1185
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,160
i've been more and more

1186
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,280
kind of dogmatic about this

1187
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,319
search for the truth and what our truth

1188
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,680
community

1189
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:20,880
should be

1190
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,480
and how we have to apply our own

1191
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,760
peer review

1192
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,720
scientific method kind of thing

1193
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,440
on folks and it really turns a lot of

1194
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,079
people off so if i say

1195
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,160
joseph farrell has said

1196
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:37,920
this and it's total [\h__\h] and it's

1197
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,640
provably [\h__\h] and he hasn't reversed

1198
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,119
himself completely he hasn't come out

1199
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,800
i've had to come out and say oh my god i

1200
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,040
believe that i was wrong then

1201
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,880
he needs to be called out because you

1202
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,839
can't just do a mitch horowitz and not

1203
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,599
get the facts right

1204
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,480
mitch is wrong fundamentally about the

1205
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,440
history of michael aquino colonel

1206
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,200
michael aquino which leads us in a bunch

1207
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:02,720
of different directions of what does

1208
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,599
that mean in terms of us living under

1209
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,920
the freedoms quote unquote that we live

1210
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,800
under

1211
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,359
by a military-industrial complex that is

1212
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,319
knowingly partnering with somebody like

1213
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,480
michael aquino what does that mean today

1214
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,760
in a

1215
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,480
covid vax or die kind of thing or

1216
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,520
vaccine die kind of thing so a lot to

1217
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,680
process there but i'm really getting

1218
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,480
kind of my backup about the truth thing

1219
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,640
and about calling people

1220
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:31,440
in

1221
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,680
truth and that doesn't mean that i have

1222
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,599
the truth it just means i'm willing to

1223
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,680
stick my neck out and say if i'm [\h__\h]

1224
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,760
wrong i want to correct it i don't want

1225
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,520
to be telling something that isn't true

1226
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,920
so [\h__\h] tell me show me where i'm

1227
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,000
wrong but don't

1228
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,599
march out you know your sacred cow and

1229
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,160
say oh no you know it doesn't really

1230
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:58,800
matter he's kind of right on this and

1231
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,640
shouldn't we all just get along [\h__\h]

1232
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,800
yeah look um

1233
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
several things to address there first

1234
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,160
off i haven't listened to that show i'm

1235
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,680
gonna i didn't know you had a setian on

1236
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,599
or maybe we should just call them

1237
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,800
satanists rather than satyanists

1238
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,960
but uh yeah i'm definitely gonna listen

1239
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,720
to this show going to be interesting to

1240
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,480
see how he

1241
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:23,920
um

1242
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,150
uh yeah alex

1243
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,520
uh rebuttals there but um and i i i

1244
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,280
don't suppose you want to discuss

1245
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,880
satanism or or aquino michael aquino i

1246
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,640
don't know too much about

1247
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,880
uh those things anyway i know about

1248
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,119
temple of seth of course and church of

1249
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,680
satan but here's the thing

1250
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,800
you can't

1251
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,400
you you're conflating it's two

1252
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,599
completely different things that's not

1253
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,280
what's going on here in terms of joseph

1254
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,920
ferrell first off you got this notion

1255
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,720
about him that i'm trying patiently to

1256
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,240
correct

1257
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,680
but

1258
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,160
if you think that notion is correct then

1259
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,839
you need to we need to start with the

1260
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,079
source we can't start with your feeling

1261
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,480
your interpretation your vague

1262
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,960
impression of what pharrell means or

1263
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,760
things or i said you need to point to

1264
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,839
something specific

1265
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,400
address that in terms of

1266
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,480
making him accountable for it and if i

1267
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
then actually agree with him

1268
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:27,119
i will

1269
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,630
devil's advocate so

1270
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,359
when i'm correcting what i think is a

1271
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,440
erratic notion you have about

1272
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,559
pharrell's

1273
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,040
take on ufos it's not because we all

1274
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,960
have to play along to get along it's not

1275
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,400
because

1276
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:48,800
i'm invested in his philosophy somehow

1277
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,319
i'm not we just get along very well

1278
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,920
it's actually because i think you're

1279
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,960
wrong it's the same reason i'm defending

1280
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,119
lavender when you

1281
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,160
uh which is of completely fair of you to

1282
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,559
think that he somehow is connected to

1283
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,440
the alphabet soup fine you think that i

1284
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,000
disagree from the evidence i've seen and

1285
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,960
i can argue for it if if need be and

1286
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,400
that's what i'm doing here with pharrell

1287
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,000
pharrell from the get-go listen i

1288
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,160
discovered him before most other people

1289
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,520
when he wasn't

1290
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,960
famous

1291
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:24,160
and

1292
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,520
of basically three runs because the

1293
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,440
interviewer she she just asked a

1294
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,359
question and then she showed up nothing

1295
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,800
like you and me right

1296
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,480
but i've listened to that so i know

1297
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,319
where he's coming from on these things

1298
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,040
and he's it's not like he started out

1299
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,680
saying all ufos are nazis and then

1300
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:46,960
eventually uh some are but you know it

1301
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,319
may be that some your no no no never did

1302
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,319
he do anything like that and i read his

1303
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,040
books which is actually should be the

1304
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,040
source for where someone's coming from

1305
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,800
rather than

1306
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,480
what we squeeze out of them right we're

1307
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,480
in a conversation because you know you

1308
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,559
and me we can say stuff in

1309
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,559
the heat of a conversation that may not

1310
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,559
be like the

1311
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,000
main philosophy default baseline of what

1312
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:13,440
we're thinking

1313
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,160
but

1314
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,000
and like you say actually you say look

1315
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,319
we agree about the big stuff so when we

1316
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:21,200
flush out disagreements like this

1317
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,559
it's the small meticulous things

1318
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,920
and and that's where the fun is and

1319
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,920
that's where we can learn and and move

1320
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,960
on and get some dynamic right so but but

1321
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,720
remember we have a huge platform in

1322
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,800
common so it's kind of what's going on

1323
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,559
here uh

1324
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,880
again i just have to reiterate he never

1325
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,200
said everything is nazis and he's never

1326
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,319
backed off the nazi thing in fact

1327
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,480
as more and more people pick this up

1328
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,559
more and more evidence comes out so it's

1329
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,200
never been as clear

1330
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,000
before as ever that i mean the nazi

1331
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,800
thing is so huge that even con men have

1332
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,119
taken it and run with it like

1333
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,680
you i don't know if you're aware of

1334
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:03,440
the

1335
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,839
david wilcock and corey good uh he's

1336
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,240
just one of these swindlers but yeah

1337
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,800
yeah just yeah i mean just a little man

1338
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,960
it's very very tricky

1339
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,440
territory there's no no it's so much

1340
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,760
look i've gone deep into that it's so

1341
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,240
much that's flushed out he is a con man

1342
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,079
and he's also

1343
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
um like most corn man he's also

1344
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,119
psychiatrically unstable

1345
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,000
and he's just someone who lucked out in

1346
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,000
order to because there's so many naive

1347
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,079
people in this look i agree with what

1348
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:43,839
you said one of the things you said you

1349
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,359
said it's up we in the i hate the term

1350
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,960
you using it so i'm going to use it now

1351
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,960
in the alternative field in the counter

1352
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:53,760
culture field in the independent media

1353
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,599
it's incumbent upon us to flush out

1354
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,640
[\h__\h] because they're so much

1355
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,480
[\h__\h] there

1356
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,160
and

1357
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,079
it comes with the territory because most

1358
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,319
people who are open to that they are

1359
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,960
disillusioned with the huge

1360
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,240
main cult

1361
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,640
called society the propaganda and the

1362
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:15,760
mainstream

1363
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,359
right religion

1364
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,400
and so

1365
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:24,880
the problem is most people are not

1366
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:27,920
educated in order to find out how to you

1367
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,119
know source criticism distinguish

1368
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,359
so it's often like

1369
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,280
the less intellectual and academically

1370
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,880
trained you are

1371
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,640
the more it's more like a belief thing

1372
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,800
okay i don't believe this so now i'm

1373
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,599
opening myself up to the counter but the

1374
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,599
problem is the counter culture it's not

1375
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:46,720
a

1376
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,720
huge cult which

1377
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,720
within itself has of course some

1378
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,480
differences and then there's everything

1379
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:01,440
else

1380
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,680
that can be put

1381
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,839
if some of them takes over we we're in a

1382
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,599
new cult right so it doesn't mean

1383
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,079
everything else is is called blanche

1384
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,240
so we have to be critical and picky and

1385
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,119
of course like it's an easy low hanging

1386
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,520
fruit but you have the flat earth thing

1387
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,599
right we don't want that to take over as

1388
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,319
a as an extreme example so i agree with

1389
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,599
you buddy we need to clean up our own

1390
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:29,920
and that's when we you know discussions

1391
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,480
like the moon landing for example

1392
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,280
comes into play right you have very

1393
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,280
different views there

1394
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,400
some

1395
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,240
you and me would find cookies so we

1396
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,559
would find more realistic

1397
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,880
and you can you know go through the

1398
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,040
everything that's suppressed covered you

1399
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,119
name it you know you have in the coffee

1400
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,200
thing you also have those who deny that

1401
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:53,680
it's a thing you had one on i love that

1402
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,720
show but that was 20 not 21.

1403
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,960
a guy who claimed it didn't exist

1404
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,079
and you just flushed him out like

1405
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,920
beautifully like no mainstream i could

1406
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,040
have managed to do well so

1407
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,280
yeah you know what i'm saying right

1408
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,359
i do know what you're saying and i think

1409
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,200
that you you made a really important

1410
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,720
point that i want to kind of pull out

1411
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,200
and highlight there and that that's

1412
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,200
there's a certain tool set that goes

1413
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,680
with critical thinking that goes with

1414
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,240
logical thinking and it's related to the

1415
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,319
scientific method and just had a guy the

1416
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,440
other day tell me you know the

1417
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,599
scientific method is [\h__\h] i've had a

1418
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:31,839
bunch of people tell me you know science

1419
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,520
is so corrupted now that you know forget

1420
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:37,280
it forget even forget the scientific

1421
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,640
method and

1422
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,599
first up full stop injection i've had

1423
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,680
some of those on two one of them his

1424
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:45,920
name is alex sakiris

1425
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,119
the discussion for two hours but go on

1426
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:50,960
well

1427
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,079
i think in many ways as we try and

1428
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,319
traverse this territory of the

1429
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,960
metaphysical and the physical which we

1430
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,359
want to do we want to have a kind of

1431
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,720
materialist consensus reality discussion

1432
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:07,680
we're both on zoom we're talking into a

1433
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,200
microphone you had salmon soup for lunch

1434
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,359
um these are kind of things where we

1435
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,839
want to kind of ground ourselves and say

1436
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,160
that's a common reality you know and

1437
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,559
then we have this metaphysical reality

1438
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,520
that are we living in a simulation is

1439
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:24,640
all of the

1440
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,680
are we just creating agrigorically

1441
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,880
topoly you know everything around us and

1442
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,359
we want to exist in both those worlds

1443
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,559
the point is

1444
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:36,720
the scientific method

1445
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:40,480
has some great tools for traversing the

1446
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,359
physical the if the world is out there

1447
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,960
and i can measure it

1448
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,680
so wink nod the world isn't really out

1449
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,079
there and you can't really measure it

1450
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,400
but let's pretend the world is out there

1451
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,160
and you can measure it and what you're

1452
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:56,319
pointing out is that there's a certain

1453
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,319
tool set that goes with that and

1454
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,920
we might want to

1455
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,559
avail ourselves of that tool set and i

1456
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,359
also agree with you just wholeheartedly

1457
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,839
about this process and cleaning up our

1458
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,400
own and being accountable and holding

1459
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,040
ourselves to a standard and with that

1460
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,000
you know then i'm really okay with

1461
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,119
moving beyond uh joseph farrell but i'm

1462
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,599
also big on you know

1463
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,520
kind of pushing people and aggravating

1464
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:27,839
people which i've done it's it's like i

1465
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,720
got friends in the podcasting world that

1466
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,880
have been around for a long time so you

1467
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,680
know

1468
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,559
if you're gonna have damien eckles on

1469
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,000
your show

1470
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,400
then you at least ought to ask him

1471
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:43,280
if he raped and murdered those kids

1472
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,720
because

1473
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:47,200
all his other co-conspirators admitted

1474
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,319
that he

1475
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,040
raped and murdered those kids and he was

1476
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,839
convicted by two juries of doing that

1477
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,319
and he was never exonerated

1478
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,839
so if you're gonna have him on your

1479
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,760
[\h__\h] show

1480
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,720
just ask him and then we can move on and

1481
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,319
you know i've i talked to other people i

1482
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,400
talked to miguel i liked miguel miguel

1483
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,079
had him on and miguel said yeah i

1484
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,599
understand that i under that's

1485
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,880
legitimate

1486
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:13,280
miguel had this echoes going on

1487
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,160
yes

1488
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,200
and and that's okay that's that's okay i

1489
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,440
didn't know he he still lived even i

1490
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,440
thought he was dead oh

1491
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,240
no no he's writing books he's you know

1492
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,480
friends with uh oh why don't you have

1493
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:28,720
him on then why don't you have him on

1494
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,640
i i i guess i would i would have him on

1495
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,640
there's a line there

1496
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,480
that gets to

1497
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,599
promoting something which i i

1498
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,720
the line for me is if damian nichols

1499
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,200
showed up at my doorstep and said hey i

1500
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,799
i want to be on i want to

1501
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:49,599
i want to come on and you know

1502
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:53,119
respond to what you're saying uh he in a

1503
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,720
second in a second but the old alex the

1504
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,119
old alex he would totally have james

1505
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,440
randy on without respecting the guy i

1506
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,359
did have james randy on and i had a lot

1507
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,960
of other people on and that's a good

1508
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,559
distinction that's more for if we would

1509
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:08,960
ever do that show on the whole journey

1510
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:12,640
and the the distinction there it for me

1511
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,480
is the evil distinction you know it's

1512
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,799
you can argue that james randy is evil

1513
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:20,960
he's done so much damage

1514
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,920
yes and he he may even have have

1515
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,839
done stuff to kids too

1516
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,480
oh yes yes i did not know that i did not

1517
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,480
know that at the time and i would have

1518
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,480
asked him and you know i was too soft on

1519
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,480
james randy uh

1520
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,200
at the time because you know

1521
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,760
we don't know yeah but i mean i i asked

1522
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,839
them some hard questions i just didn't

1523
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,319
really push hard enough i guess to to

1524
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,880
wind that back i was just really kind of

1525
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,440
agreeing with you on you know the

1526
00:59:53,069 --> 00:59:52,319
methods that we must have for

1527
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:53,079
re

1528
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,440
our methods for finding the truth so it

1529
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,359
was a kind of long long way around the

1530
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:01,839
barn whose turn is it now is it your

1531
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,799
turn to go next i just realized uh how

1532
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,319
we're doing this i thought we were going

1533
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,400
to do three of mine and then three of

1534
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,200
yours but uh it's one mine and one years

1535
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,040
right that's what's going on here so

1536
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,119
that is my turn yeah yes

1537
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:16,880
that is my turn okay

1538
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,480
so uh and that's uh i i will i think

1539
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,559
after this recording i i think i will

1540
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:24,640
manage to get two shows out before the

1541
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,400
end of the year which are not there yet

1542
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:31,440
but the last show that is there now

1543
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:34,799
is the secret of secrets

1544
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,520
how to survive death you know what

1545
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,480
maybe can i do what you did play

1546
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,480
but this notion of the body of light

1547
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,880
part is the key

1548
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,280
yeah a lot of these groups just don't

1549
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:48,720
have that

1550
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,599
information no they don't and

1551
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,160
basically everything we have we do has

1552
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,799
to do with preparing for death and the

1553
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,480
most powerful

1554
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:00,400
ritual i've ever experienced in my life

1555
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,079
and i've been in a lot of ritual

1556
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,319
i visited all the groups tibetans you

1557
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,760
name it

1558
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,559
and i was present at i've been so lucky

1559
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,200
as to be present at the death ritual

1560
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,960
where they whether it was when we

1561
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,960
initiate who had died

1562
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,200
this death ritual is kind of

1563
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:22,799
connect with a gregor

1564
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,880
and help the doing it is creating uh

1565
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,640
i mean i'm not giving details so i can

1566
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,280
talk about this in general creating up i

1567
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,839
think a portal like a kind of um

1568
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,680
creating some kind of energy without

1569
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:37,119
going into details

1570
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,799
and then invoke

1571
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:40,640
the brother or sister who's recently

1572
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,760
deposited and bind them into

1573
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,359
the center of

1574
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:48,079
the place where this is taking place

1575
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,520
and then

1576
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:51,599
what you call it when you get some extra

1577
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,559
thrust

1578
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:55,920
kind of throw them into their

1579
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,599
the path further so create this energy

1580
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:00,720
ritually

1581
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,359
invoke the person and then guide that

1582
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,000
person further into the the other world

1583
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,960
and it's all done with lots of tools

1584
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,839
like

1585
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,839
sound is being made chanting uh

1586
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,440
recitations

1587
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:14,960
actions

1588
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,839
uh it's the most powerful uh like i i i

1589
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:19,920
was there with another from norway and

1590
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,000
he was in tears it was annoying actually

1591
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,839
because snot and every i had to hold his

1592
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,119
hand right and

1593
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,119
he got snooked on it and everything so

1594
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,880
but okay

1595
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:30,960
but that's how powerfully i was just

1596
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,559
blown out of my socks and and i realized

1597
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:37,039
oh my god man it's all about

1598
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:39,440
it's all about the death process

1599
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,430
i'm gonna i'm gonna

1600
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,319
point out a show called the secret of

1601
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,839
secrets but

1602
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,240
i was teasing it with uh playing

1603
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,839
something a quote from the end of

1604
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,079
another show with the same guy

1605
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,760
hacking aggregators that we discussed

1606
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,839
earlier the reason is that i think this

1607
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,280
sums up

1608
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,359
what this other show

1609
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:05,119
was all about

1610
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,000
and

1611
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,240
people think it's hyperbole

1612
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,599
and

1613
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:11,039
the thing is

1614
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,799
um i really do i i should do more

1615
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,720
or i think you pronounce it

1616
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,520
hyperbole i think it should do hyperbole

1617
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,200
we say but everyone gets what you're

1618
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,359
talking about yeah it doesn't make sense

1619
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,200
it should be hyperbole but the thing is

1620
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,520
i should do more hyperbole in my titles

1621
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,319
and stuff because i i usually go for

1622
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,400
poetic titles instead of

1623
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,720
to the point or even teasers

1624
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,280
but in this show people would think it's

1625
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,319
a hyperbole secret of secrets but it's

1626
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:42,160
not it's what it's actually called

1627
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,190
it's actually what it's called that's

1628
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,599
how big of a secret it is and i think i

1629
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,920
i'm the first show ever

1630
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,480
disclosing some of these

1631
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,079
of course we're scratching the surface

1632
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,000
of course both me and the guest knows

1633
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,799
tons more than what's coming out in

1634
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,160
in the discussion but at least we're

1635
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,799
having that discussion in the open

1636
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,799
and i think this is one of my most

1637
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,160
important shows i think it's only

1638
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:09,599
surpassed you know when you say what's

1639
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,640
important

1640
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,440
so many filters or criterias you can

1641
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,160
work from right but if we

1642
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:18,000
narrow it down to spirituality and

1643
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:19,680
metaphysics

1644
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:21,119
and esoterics

1645
01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:22,799
and if we also narrate down to

1646
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,520
usefulness

1647
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,280
exclusiveness info you won't get many

1648
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:29,920
places then i say the only show i've

1649
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,559
done that's can surpass this is one of

1650
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,119
the my least popular shows and that just

1651
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,480
confirms like i said with cliff phi when

1652
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,039
i had him on you know we rated the shows

1653
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,359
we did together and we all agreed that

1654
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,039
the most popular is going to be the

1655
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,039
least important

1656
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:48,960
that was antarctica show

1657
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,000
and the least popular i did with him

1658
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:53,680
was the most important which was the

1659
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,559
death show now the same here right so

1660
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,480
with

1661
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,880
a guy called timothy hogan i did the

1662
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,480
most important

1663
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,319
and least popular show which was about

1664
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,680
the elements

1665
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,440
a two-parter

1666
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,599
but apart from that one i think this is

1667
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:12,000
the most important and exclusive in

1668
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:13,200
terms of

1669
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:14,480
information

1670
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,599
so

1671
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:18,000
it's basically

1672
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:21,680
releasing some universal secrets

1673
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,640
if that's even a word

1674
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,640
it reminds me of the word of the term

1675
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,039
public secrets it's kind of similar

1676
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,440
it's like you have people all over the

1677
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,200
world who knows about this from time

1678
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,559
immemorial but they've all kept it under

1679
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,680
wraps

1680
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,520
and um

1681
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:41,520
yeah say no more it's all about death

1682
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:42,400
man

1683
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,079
which actually dovetails with with the

1684
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,440
aims of skeptical skeptical has a huge

1685
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,680
focus on death too only from a

1686
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,760
completely different angle no that's

1687
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,599
perfect because one of the questions i

1688
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,480
was going to ask you relates directly to

1689
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:00,319
that i think the

1690
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:01,680
occult

1691
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,240
the hidden the esoteric i i'm super

1692
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,480
interested in the wisdom there because i

1693
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,480
think there is wisdom there

1694
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,119
but you're right i have intentionally

1695
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:15,520
kind of done an end run on it

1696
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:16,799
and

1697
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,520
my run on death is near death experience

1698
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,319
and reincarnation science because again

1699
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,720
we can kind of pin it down so we've

1700
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,280
talked about that a bunch in the past

1701
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:31,839
but i guess what i'd ask you as it

1702
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,720
relates to that really wonderful clip

1703
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:37,760
that you played is

1704
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:41,200
to what extent is it secret is it hidden

1705
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,079
when

1706
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,160
we now have thousands of people who've

1707
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:46,559
crossed that barrier and have found a

1708
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,839
way to come back and tell us about it

1709
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,720
and then part two of that question is

1710
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:54,799
what do we do with the

1711
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,280
implications for technology there

1712
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,440
because it's clear that more people are

1713
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,280
quote unquote coming back i hate that

1714
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,680
term but that's what we have to use

1715
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,839
because of our advanced medical

1716
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:07,359
technology having to do with

1717
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:10,720
resuscitation so we can actually

1718
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,280
blur that line in a way that we couldn't

1719
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:15,839
and why is it that this

1720
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,559
extended consciousness is blurring the

1721
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,880
line with us as we do that what are your

1722
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,400
thoughts

1723
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:25,039
excellent point erasing here i will

1724
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,480
answer it like this

1725
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,880
and what i'm saying now i never have

1726
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,039
said before i think so this is very

1727
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,079
important if anyone give any credence to

1728
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,400
my inputs

1729
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:39,440
open and sharpen your ears folks

1730
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,039
in esoterica there are two layers

1731
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,359
you have what people think of when they

1732
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,200
hear the word i won't even discuss

1733
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,119
occultism because that's big that's like

1734
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,720
the law is that's like the crap that's

1735
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,880
like the pulp fiction the pulp fact of

1736
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,039
esoterico so i won't even go that's

1737
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,880
where you'll find damien angles and

1738
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:58,000
stuff like that

1739
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,720
but

1740
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,280
in serious esoterica people who are into

1741
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,839
it as a path in their life there are two

1742
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,400
layers there is the one that you will

1743
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,760
google

1744
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:09,920
where you will find books from leveling

1745
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,119
for example or aquarius or wooden books

1746
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:14,720
or

1747
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,640
everything from semi-esoteric like

1748
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:22,719
yeah like mark's own

1749
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:25,199
institute of hermetic studies

1750
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,080
to

1751
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,080
more downright

1752
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,120
initiatory systems like for example the

1753
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,319
royal secretion order are mark now

1754
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:37,120
all this is really exoterrica it's

1755
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,960
esoterica in exoterica

1756
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:42,080
so

1757
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:54,640
it's correct when alex says okletes

1758
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:57,600
means the hidden but esoterica really

1759
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:00,799
means it is pythagoras coined that term

1760
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,520
no or was it aristotle's i forgot but it

1761
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:05,520
was i think it was aristotle as a coined

1762
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,560
term but it was describing the initiates

1763
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:10,239
of the ancient mystery schools of the

1764
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:13,359
ancient mystery traditions

1765
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:14,560
it was

1766
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,000
that which is never in the public

1767
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,199
so it is that which you are initiated

1768
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,640
into whether it's physically done by

1769
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,759
like

1770
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,560
a group or a ritual or whatever or the

1771
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,640
real initiations which are spiritual

1772
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,120
where you access a level of realization

1773
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,520
and an understanding that is completely

1774
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,719
subjective

1775
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,799
that you cannot share in the objective

1776
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,679
world

1777
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,159
it's like where daoism says

1778
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,040
the truth that can be spoken is not the

1779
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,199
real truth the secret that can be

1780
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,000
revealed is not the real secret

1781
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,480
so that brings us to the second layer

1782
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,920
which

1783
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,840
the less we say about it the better but

1784
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:57,679
there is a

1785
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:00,640
very small very small

1786
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:05,110
was a word

1787
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,560
like just a

1788
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,560
not a fragment but a segment there's a

1789
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,760
small segment of esoterica still around

1790
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,239
it used to be the thing now it's just

1791
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,520
fragments

1792
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,000
and within those circles

1793
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,080
yeah you can google it you can't find it

1794
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:22,800
online you can find it in books

1795
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,920
and that's where the real secrets are

1796
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:27,360
and so

1797
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,520
these people let's call them gods of

1798
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:34,560
mystery tradition gods or whatever

1799
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,520
are

1800
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:37,920
preserving something from

1801
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,400
the dawn of mankind and

1802
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,840
there are tools there

1803
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,679
are structures there are methods there

1804
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:48,000
are insights there's lore

1805
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,280
and

1806
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,520
the difference between

1807
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,480
say an initiate like palminidus

1808
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:56,000
in ancient greek

1809
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,760
who went into the other world and came

1810
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,719
back

1811
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,640
and brought something with him to share

1812
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,280
with us the difference between him

1813
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,440
and some random jude

1814
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,920
who a car runs over

1815
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,880
and then he's being resuscitated by

1816
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,560
bruce grayson

1817
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:14,320
is that

1818
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,480
both of them are having real experiences

1819
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,960
but when you are just a random person

1820
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,520
who stumbles into

1821
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:25,360
the metaphysical

1822
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,800
you have two probe it's the same with

1823
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,960
the ufo thing if you're exposed to it

1824
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:31,040
this is jack valerie big point if you're

1825
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,480
exposed to the ufo phenomenon

1826
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:37,040
you have no apparatus to deal with it so

1827
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,480
you will

1828
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:40,719
it's it goes for anything

1829
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,239
police knows this too that witnesses

1830
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,159
really the psychology of the witness is

1831
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,679
more important than what they actually

1832
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,159
experienced in terms of making sense of

1833
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:52,159
this is the same in a satanic panic or

1834
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,880
in children who have fantasy you know

1835
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,719
how can we distinguish between false

1836
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,560
memory and real and this is the same the

1837
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,480
ufo phenomenon you're not equipped to

1838
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,239
deal with whatever phenomenon is

1839
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,400
manifesting there so you think it's

1840
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,640
virgin mary or you think it's

1841
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,440
it's a spaceship from

1842
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,520
alpha centauri it all depends on what

1843
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,760
you already have in your mind in order

1844
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,600
to how you can interpret that the same

1845
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:18,080
with the ant when he encounters your

1846
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,360
foot right

1847
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,280
so this is what i'm saying also about

1848
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,840
the other world someone who's trained

1849
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:26,000
who has devoted his life or her life to

1850
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:26,880
this

1851
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,440
experience it's a completely different

1852
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,320
ballgame than some poor sucker who just

1853
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,640
ends up there and then is being brought

1854
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,120
back i'm not saying it's in valid or no

1855
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,840
value from what that other person but

1856
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,600
that's where you get people like the guy

1857
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,120
you had on the show he said it's all

1858
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,280
about jesus man oh if it wasn't jesus

1859
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,960
that is [\h__\h] right

1860
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:50,640
that's his filter

1861
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,440
so

1862
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,440
yes that's useful especially if there's

1863
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,640
commonalities across time and culture

1864
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,120
for for these kinds of researching then

1865
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,600
you can find objective factors

1866
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,719
but

1867
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,800
it's it's like the difference between a

1868
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,440
primary school and university when you

1869
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:10,480
regard the nitsyates and their

1870
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,080
death experience and the

1871
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,000
random

1872
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,920
john doe or jane doe you see what i'm

1873
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,920
saying i do see what you're saying and i

1874
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,600
think it's

1875
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:24,800
would

1876
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,520
if we were really going to dive into it

1877
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,840
i'd ask you to back it up

1878
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,719
because you know my entry or my

1879
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,719
continued interest in near-death

1880
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,719
experience is about

1881
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,600
the science and as close as we can come

1882
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,880
to the science and we already get i

1883
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,560
already gave the speech that you know

1884
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,159
science isn't

1885
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,960
perfect and it's you know by definition

1886
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,719
it's wrong because it suggests that the

1887
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,239
world is out there and the world is

1888
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,280
measurable and we know that it isn't but

1889
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,360
i would turn that around and say

1890
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,280
everything that you just said is kind of

1891
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,800
dependent on

1892
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:01,679
some kind of consensus reality so the

1893
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:03,920
clip i would play kind of in response to

1894
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,280
that is from an interview from may of

1895
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,199
this year that i did with

1896
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,560
dr jeff long the near death experience

1897
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:14,719
researcher i'll play the clip and then

1898
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,870
let's everybody think of one incident

1899
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:23,360
where katniss everdeen genuinely moved

1900
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,159
you

1901
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,159
when she volunteered for her sister at

1902
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,840
the reaping

1903
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:30,159
excellent example

1904
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,360
good

1905
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,840
what else oh when she sang that song for

1906
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:35,520
little roo

1907
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,719
oh yeah we didn't get choked up at that

1908
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:40,560
you know i like you better effie without

1909
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,400
all that makeup i like you better sober

1910
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,159
that's of course woody harrelson from

1911
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,400
the hunger games a clip that would seem

1912
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,640
to be because it is a long way around

1913
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,560
the barn from an interview with one of

1914
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,080
the world's leading near-death

1915
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,960
experience researchers dr jeff long

1916
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,120
who's compiled the largest searchable

1917
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,920
database of near-death experiences and

1918
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,080
who joined me primarily because i wanted

1919
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,159
to verify because i reference it so many

1920
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,960
times the quality of the data in the

1921
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,280
database here's a short clip

1922
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:13,840
are you in any way scrubbing the

1923
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:16,719
database are you in any way taking out

1924
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,840
any references that might be offensive

1925
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:21,840
to someone you know if it's if they're

1926
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,040
satanic you know or this and that or i i

1927
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:28,880
don't think so because i even do nderf

1928
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,719
aliens i do n-d-e-r-f-e-t

1929
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,280
there are a few entries that come up it

1930
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,199
doesn't seem to me like you're in there

1931
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,600
scrubbing the database in this kind of

1932
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:41,760
cancel culture shadow banning you know

1933
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we don't know what's really out there

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great question alex the only change that

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we make to the entirety of what is

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shared with us is we remove references i

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mean they made just like their doctor

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that they believe was involved in their

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life-threatening event so we removed

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names just to preserve confidentiality

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our overriding concern is the

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confidentiality of who shares

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we post everything that they share with

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us it would be an abomination to us to

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pull out anything that we didn't like or

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we disagreed with if they share it with

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us it goes up

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the real point that i'd like you to

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respond to about

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jeff long is

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we're trying to do

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what we can do

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to get at a data set so i i kind of

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resist the notion that oh you know i'm

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doing my best there to say is there any

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thing wrong with this data set how would

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we evaluate this data set which

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should

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match your data set right i mean this is

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the way that we would investigate yes

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yes

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and it's interesting because science is

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doing the same as esoterica did

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see esoterica has known all the time

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that

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everything you encounter in what you

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call extended realm is dependent on

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filters those filters would be obviously

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cultural

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lingual linguistic

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religious in the term of like what kind

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of set of symbols and and notions do you

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operate in spiritually

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um

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so there's a psychological of course

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even gender

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so and and that's what uh near death

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signs also i see they see

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there are some things that are

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commonalities

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and there's some things that are

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subjective it doesn't mean the

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subjective thing is wrong

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or unreal it just means some things need

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to go through your filter

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if you hear

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let's say bernie sanders or donald trump

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or something ron paul

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your filter is going to determine what

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you're taking out of that someone who's

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a supporter of one of those would be ah

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wow

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great stuff man another one being a

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[\h__\h]

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you see what i mean they're all exposed

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to the same objective vibrations

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they hear the same

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everything they're at the same advent

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taking place at the same time but

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they're taking different things with

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them and that's the same going that's

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why darwism is one path

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and tolktek is another esoteric path

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that's why rajana is one path

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and

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let's say

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gnosticism and other so

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you can't just do everything you can't

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ride a million horses at the same time

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my point is

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find a horse that actually brings you

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there

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and if you find such a

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little bit do a better

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analogy it's all about the mountain

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let's go to the traditional mountain

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most people new agers and you know

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flirting with stuff they are just

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dancing around the mountain oh let me

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try this path i'm going couple of meters

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up there and i

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i want to try another one and they go

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down again and they never commit to a

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01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,239
path so they never get anywhere oh i

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know everything about what's going on

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because i've been around the mountain

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five times i can tell you a million

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entrances to the mountain but they

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01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:06,880
really can't tell you much apart from

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that superficial level now someone who

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actually determines to go to the top of

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the mountain

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and when he reaches the top by the way

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he the the he's past the clouds so he

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01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:21,120
can see the sun shining bright now the

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higher up gone he comes the more these

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different paths will dwindle into

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one path

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eventually you come as high that there's

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only four paths

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east north west south and the higher up

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you come the more you can actually not

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know just your own path i'm so high up

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the mountain that i can see other

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01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,000
parallel paths i can't see the path on

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the opposite side if i'm from the south

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i can't see the north path but i can

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definitely see some path to the left and

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some to the right of me and i can even

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advise some people who are not on my

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01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,880
path but on that path up careful where

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you're threading

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uh you may fall down oh there's a

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there's a hill there where you can find

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some food so the higher up i come the

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more i can survey all the other paths

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too and only when i'm at the top of the

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mountain i can see all paths

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this is how you should understand the

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spiritual iterations in the world

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and this is what they are reinventing

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with science as near death experience

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and reincarnation they're trying to get

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data points that's valid to all

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and they're trying to also find what's

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commonalities and what's dependent on

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individual factors and last thing i want

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to say about this is remember who

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created science

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they don't teach you that anymore in for

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example history of science or philosophy

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science they will only mention quirky

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weird factories when you if you're at a

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deep enough level isaac newton was into

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alchemy and astrology for some weird

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reason ah francis bacon was flirting

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with this or that for some reason but

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the fact of the matter is that up until

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science was hijacked in the 1800s

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by materialists

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but they didn't just hijack it overnight

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it was a long battle but eventually they

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won they won over the royal society and

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different

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other scientific vehicles and outlooks

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and then it became full materialist and

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everything was perched but

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why did esoteric initiates create the

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scientific method and even scientific

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institutions and all that stuff because

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they knew this is the only way we can

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educate the masters the masters will

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never be enlightened people they will

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01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:39,679
never be interested in these things that

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01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,520
me and alex are interested in trying to

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find the big questions or may never

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never but certainly not back in the day

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they didn't have the tools for it or the

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education so the best way to do this is

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to

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bring enlightenment that was the whole

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idea for example of raw secretionism

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we're going to enlighten

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the reformation the renaissance

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the enlightenment all that stuff was

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brought about

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by

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the

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which was

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for a long time catholicism or islam for

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that matter although islam was more open

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to

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of their especially in the ultimate

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empire and eventually also materialism

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that succeeded

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01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:28,719
this spiritual hegemony so

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esoterics created it because they've

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been into science all the time they've

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01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,440
been to spiritual science and us are

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tools better they're both always

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physical signs too like in the ancient

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greece ancient egypt you couldn't

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01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,040
distinguish between spirituality and

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01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,520
sciences was the same thing a mystery

2125
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,480
priest was also the one who actually

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measured

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a map

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or

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navigate the seas it was all yeah it was

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practical applications of spiritual

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01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:06,800
reality so those things were went hand

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in hand dualism came materialist came

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and somehow signs got robbed out of this

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truth realm consciousness realm and now

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it's come full circle because now we see

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and this goes back to this is a callback

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01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,320
to what we started discussing today alex

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and that's that

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01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,159
science has come full circle now to

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become a tool for lie misinformation

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deception illusion

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and that's why why we need to clean up

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01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,639
we need to be truth committed and you

2144
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,719
don't you have to be fact committed in

2145
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,280
hard sciences today natural sciences but

2146
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,679
you don't have to be truth committed and

2147
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,840
we see this even in health science it's

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01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:48,480
all about money propaganda power

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01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,920
politics

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and

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01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:52,719
science science

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01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,719
truth and even facts matter less now so

2153
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,960
that's the problem when you

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01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:01,120
remove the spiritual layers of science

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01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,159
and you put it into the hands of of

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01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,800
materialism and opportunists is better

2157
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,360
to say i mean it's all about power and

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01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,199
control

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01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:13,199
i i really appreciate what you're saying

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01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:14,960
i don't hear many people

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01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,440
talking about this and that's what's oh

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01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,320
it's just i just get charged up talking

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01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,840
to you because

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01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,760
this is so special to have that kind of

2165
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,760
conversation and i love your analogy i

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01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,120
love your analogy of climbing the

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01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:30,080
mountain and the trail backs and you

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01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,120
know

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01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,159
but i i'm i'm skeptical i mean i've

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grown into being skeptical maybe i

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01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,360
always was but i'm inquiry to perpetuate

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01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,960
doubt so my mind always goes to the

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01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,040
counter example and i think sometimes

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01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:47,040
that turns people off but again it

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01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,639
doesn't turn you off which is wonderful

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01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,520
because

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to me the counter example of what you're

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01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,880
saying is you know i've been a yogi for

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a long time and people misunderstand

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01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,800
that if you say you're a yogi then

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you're a yogi you don't have to have you

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01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,239
don't have to show the

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the certificate you got from the weekend

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01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,000
retreat that you did

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01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,480
that doesn't matter all you have to do

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01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:09,679
is say

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i'm a yogi and then you're a yogi but

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i've been

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you know a lot of different schools a

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lot of different teachers a lot of

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different

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01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,360
learnings i particularly remember being

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in san diego when i had moved out here

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01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,840
and where i live is kind of a really

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fascinating

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01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,239
part of yoga in the west because i live

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in north san diego county which was kind

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of the landing point for a guy named

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01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:38,880
patabhi joyce and petaby joyce was

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really along with bksayengar

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the two people who are most responsible

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for bringing the kind of physical yoga

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01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,880
you know the kind that you can go down

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01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,600
in the gym and do and all that and they

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01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,199
were disciples of krishnamacharya who

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said ghosts and this

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spread this to the west and they did and

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i actually studied under a teacher who

2209
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,320
was bks iyengar teacher and actually

2210
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:06,400
brought bks anger over and then i

2211
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,679
studied wow under a teacher here in san

2212
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:11,840
diego who actually brought patabi joyce

2213
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,120
over so i just kind of casually met both

2214
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,199
those people but tabby joyce it turns

2215
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,040
out was sexually abusing his students

2216
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:22,159
which i later found out in my interview

2217
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:23,760
with

2218
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,159
my yogi friend who was sold into sex

2219
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,040
slavery to a satanic cult when she was

2220
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,960
six years old but she was also sexually

2221
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:33,360
abused by patabi joyce i of course check

2222
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,880
that because you don't want to just take

2223
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,480
somebody's word for that and there are

2224
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,239
now hundreds of women who've come

2225
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:40,480
forward and said that batavi choice

2226
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,679
wasn't exactly on point with where he

2227
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:46,000
was doing that energy but back to my

2228
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:47,679
long story i remember being in this

2229
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,560
class with this wonderful brazilian

2230
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:52,480
woman who was our yoga teacher and we

2231
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,600
had really

2232
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:55,679
vibed and were sinking and talked but

2233
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:59,360
she had made some point about respecting

2234
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:02,000
this tradition of of the indian

2235
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,840
tradition where

2236
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,920
where this comes from and i was like in

2237
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,239
my iconoclastic kind of skeptical way

2238
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,120
say [\h__\h] on that you know for all

2239
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,840
their their beautiful wonderful insights

2240
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:15,840
they're still marrying their daughters

2241
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:18,960
off at 11 years old they still have a

2242
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,000
culture that classifies people into

2243
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:24,159
these different cults that they can't

2244
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:26,520
get out of in these classifications and

2245
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:29,600
untouchability is still a real [\h__\h]

2246
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,199
thing so don't tell me about the flowers

2247
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,239
from this wonderful spiritually oriented

2248
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,719
which everyone says you know india is

2249
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:41,280
the source of all this [\h__\h] that [\h__\h]

2250
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,960
you've been there have you been no i

2251
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:45,120
haven't been there but

2252
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:48,560
great good for you but my point is i

2253
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,040
like [\h__\h] jeff long from iowa who's

2254
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,159
collecting 3 000 accounts from

2255
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:56,639
indy ears that i can search i like

2256
01:28:03,270 --> 01:27:59,760
gregory shushan from x from oxford who's

2257
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:03,280
studying cross-cultural ndes across time

2258
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,199
so 600 years of ndes across times from

2259
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:09,199
across a bunch of different cultures

2260
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,840
western plains indians

2261
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,080
people down on the mesa in mexico as

2262
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:16,400
well as people in africa and on the

2263
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:18,719
islands and all the rest that [\h__\h] and i

2264
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:22,719
say bravo to that and if that science

2265
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:25,600
lines up with what you're saying then i

2266
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:28,880
say bravo and if it doesn't i say you

2267
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,520
bring forth the evidence to show me

2268
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,840
where they're wrong show me where there

2269
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,280
needs to be the course correction and

2270
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,920
i'm down with it i let me go back to

2271
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,679
where i started because i get it on rant

2272
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,600
and it sounds like i'm against what

2273
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,960
you're saying i'm not against what

2274
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:44,719
you're saying i think what you're saying

2275
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,440
is a beautiful beautiful piece of the

2276
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:50,480
puzzle but it's a clay pot that needs to

2277
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,600
be

2278
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:54,639
tested through the most severe heat that

2279
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:57,040
we can apply to it and the beauty of

2280
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,159
what western science has done now is

2281
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:02,320
it's brought us some new data points

2282
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,800
that we cannot just dismiss as well

2283
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:07,679
that

2284
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:12,719
you know she saw jesus we can just

2285
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,280
dismiss her account because she wasn't

2286
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,679
she wasn't esoteric enough [\h__\h] that

2287
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:19,280
[\h__\h] i don't i don't buy that i mean

2288
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,400
maybe maybe we should but i don't know

2289
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,360
no we shouldn't i i i just said

2290
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:28,239
a random person who look a random person

2291
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,080
who takes an lsd trip and doesn't even

2292
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,000
know he's an lsd

2293
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:33,840
will still there will still be valuable

2294
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,080
lessons from his experience versus the

2295
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,719
old hippie who who trips once a week

2296
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,120
right now let me address some of these

2297
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,040
excellent points we made

2298
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,480
i said there was two layers and the same

2299
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,320
isn't just true for western essentially

2300
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:50,719
it's true for all esoterica so

2301
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,719
alex when a long-haired indian comes to

2302
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:56,239
california

2303
01:30:03,030 --> 01:29:59,440
and sell and and accumulates a group of

2304
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:03,040
young beautiful women and exclusive cars

2305
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:04,560
and all that stuff

2306
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,639
he you already know what layer he's

2307
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,719
operating on it's the same way you can

2308
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:11,280
go to a golden dawn group and

2309
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,480
in fact this happened to uh

2310
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,199
an acquaintance of mind his

2311
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,400
uh girlfriend was being initiated into a

2312
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:22,639
golden dawn group and he wasn't there

2313
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:26,400
but the friends were and this she was so

2314
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,360
it's and of course this is a fake golden

2315
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:31,360
dawn is like the outer layer so it's

2316
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,880
like they rely instead of on real

2317
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,480
spiritual triggers they will rely on

2318
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,639
hypnotic effects and all that stuff so

2319
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:41,520
it's more like a theater esoterica but

2320
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,280
so she was done so

2321
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:45,199
psychologically vulnerable because if

2322
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:46,800
her mind was blown and all that stuff

2323
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:50,320
because of their hypnotic elements so he

2324
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:51,760
screwed her

2325
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:54,719
had sex with her the same evening

2326
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:57,360
which is a huge it's the same as your

2327
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,520
psychologist doing it or your professor

2328
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,719
or something you know what i mean it's

2329
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:02,400
such a betrayal

2330
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:05,199
so that per so yeah that happens all the

2331
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,719
time and whether it's indians or in west

2332
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,280
look if jeffrey long that you mentioned

2333
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:12,960
not to pick on him he's probably an

2334
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,920
excellent person but he's done good

2335
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,520
research in this field we can agree

2336
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,520
about that right now let's say it leaks

2337
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:21,679
out that he was

2338
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,880
abusing an intern does that invalidate

2339
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:27,120
all the work he did no you just have to

2340
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:28,639
understand that we're talking about

2341
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,239
human beings the human limitations

2342
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,120
this is why there's you have to

2343
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,920
realize that there's two standards so

2344
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,120
the real

2345
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:41,120
indian guru

2346
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:44,880
won't come to your doorstep in in godam

2347
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:46,880
san diego you have to

2348
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:49,600
[\h__\h] climb a mountain in himalaya to

2349
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,960
come to his doorstep that's how it works

2350
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:55,199
that's why i'm saying this second layer

2351
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,400
of esoterica is very exclusive and it

2352
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,320
annoys people to no end in fact it

2353
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,320
annoys people so much the money someday

2354
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,159
i i don't believe it exists because i

2355
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:06,960
can't get access oh it's probably just

2356
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,080
conceited elitists why can't they share

2357
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,239
it with me i can't google it i can't

2358
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,080
attain it so it's probably [\h__\h] and

2359
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,840
others are more like romantic notions

2360
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:18,000
always probably people those people are

2361
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,520
probably at the level of buddha and

2362
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:21,600
jesus and a better kid's defeat than

2363
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:24,639
they're probably telepathic no no no and

2364
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:27,280
no it's a human experience

2365
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:29,600
there's human limitations but i'll

2366
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,159
explain it like this alex if i was so

2367
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:35,040
lucky to be a guardian of a wisdom

2368
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:36,480
tradition

2369
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:39,520
and i knew you alex very well

2370
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,040
and i knew

2371
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:42,960
that you're an ethical person i knew you

2372
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,120
were a responsible person i knew you

2373
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:48,320
were sincere seeker i knew you had a

2374
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,719
intellectual apparatus for it i would

2375
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:53,199
totally

2376
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:55,199
open a door for you to see if you went

2377
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:56,320
through it

2378
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:57,360
so that

2379
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,239
you could become an initiate

2380
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:02,080
but that's how it works that's how it's

2381
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:03,440
been working since

2382
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:04,560
day one

2383
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:05,760
you don't just

2384
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,639
go to the town square and unknown that's

2385
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:10,400
what the con man do

2386
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,600
and that's

2387
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,320
how 99 of people are being swapped up by

2388
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,199
people like that are crowley or whatever

2389
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,600
but the real but what they are faking

2390
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:21,679
the illusions they are playing out what

2391
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,880
they are pointing to exists but on a

2392
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,400
different level

2393
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,560
so they are taking the real thing that

2394
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:30,880
they themselves don't have access to

2395
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:33,280
because they can never

2396
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:35,679
qualify to to get there and they are

2397
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:38,080
making a mock version a con man a

2398
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:39,840
commercial version of that where they

2399
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:40,719
can

2400
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,040
gather all their you know some of the

2401
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:45,360
stuff there that this guru is saying you

2402
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:48,400
may find in some exclusive ashram maybe

2403
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:49,840
so i'm not saying

2404
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:52,000
there's no commonalities but i'm saying

2405
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:54,080
those who actually practice walk as they

2406
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,040
talk

2407
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,360
they do it solely because they have

2408
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,440
learned how to god

2409
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,920
and if one of these con men actually

2410
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:03,840
managed to get access to one of these

2411
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,159
small ancient groups that group will be

2412
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,080
corrupted and it will be destroyed and

2413
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:09,760
that's what has happened for thousands

2414
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:11,199
of years that's why there's so few

2415
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:12,320
around

2416
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,280
individuals so networks or even

2417
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:19,360
organizations

2418
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:21,600
are around because they have learned how

2419
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,360
to guard themselves from the human

2420
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:27,920
limitations and if they don't if they go

2421
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:30,480
wrong if if they are like brilliant

2422
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,760
people

2423
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:33,600
and we are all 40

2424
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,560
and and and the mistake is big enough

2425
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:39,040
it's tongue it's sank

2426
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:40,800
you it's gone

2427
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,600
so

2428
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:43,199
um

2429
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:45,600
it just shows how important it is to so

2430
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:47,199
it depends on your standard most people

2431
01:34:52,070 --> 01:34:49,679
are content with going around the foot

2432
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:52,080
of the mountain and smell a bush and

2433
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,320
walk a couple of feet and then go back

2434
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:56,480
and try something else most people have

2435
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:58,719
no commitment to gum come to the top of

2436
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:01,040
the mountain but i'm telling you

2437
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:02,159
the more

2438
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:05,520
you climb whatever tools you use whether

2439
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:08,719
and science should be one of the tools

2440
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:10,159
psychology to

2441
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:12,560
philosophy religion you name it whatever

2442
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:13,600
human

2443
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:14,480
knowledge

2444
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,679
insight

2445
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:18,239
experience to stand on other people's

2446
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:19,119
shoulder

2447
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,320
wheel the further up you will go and the

2448
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,480
harder it becomes the harder the tests

2449
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:28,560
the more you have to refine yourself you

2450
01:35:33,109 --> 01:35:31,440
cannot get to the top of the mountain

2451
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:33,119
and pass the

2452
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:34,719
confusing clouds

2453
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:35,679
and

2454
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:36,560
just

2455
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:39,760
be bombarded by the radiation of the sun

2456
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,280
without refining yourself

2457
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,840
you have to your ethics your wisdom

2458
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,440
there's so you

2459
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:50,000
how you you you said one thing you said

2460
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,760
we have to be trained to critical

2461
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:53,760
thinking that's a part of it too

2462
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,560
and

2463
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:56,320
so if you're just talking science there

2464
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,800
are certain uh qualifiers that you need

2465
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:00,960
to achieve there but if you're talking

2466
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,800
signs of life if you if you're not

2467
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:04,719
distinguishing out just a segment of

2468
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,719
life but you're talking about our path

2469
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:08,880
in existence in life

2470
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:12,560
then it it has to be all the human

2471
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:15,199
layers has to be refined as you

2472
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:19,119
uh develop and that means your sensory

2473
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,080
your body in terms of health

2474
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,159
your perception the way you're sensing

2475
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:27,280
things your feelings the way your

2476
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,840
your emotions work your psychology the

2477
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:31,119
way your

2478
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:33,840
thinking and reasoning and thoughts

2479
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:34,960
work

2480
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,239
and your creativity uh your ability to

2481
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:40,880
go into the transcendental

2482
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:43,440
all of that stuff has to be refined

2483
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:46,639
simultaneously all the time

2484
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,760
and it's damn hard man that's why you

2485
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:50,880
could probably

2486
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:53,600
count on a couple of hands how many

2487
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,480
people really reached the top at least

2488
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,239
that we can remember today but i'm

2489
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,119
saying the less known are gurus the more

2490
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,920
believable he is granted that he

2491
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:05,520
he is not just less known because he

2492
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:07,760
hasn't started out i'm not talking ron

2493
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,480
al ron herbert before he published stuff

2494
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,719
he was always a crook i'm talking about

2495
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,719
someone who's been in operation and

2496
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,040
nobody knows him go to that guy he'll

2497
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,280
teach you much more than the guy you can

2498
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,840
google you you catch my drift here oh

2499
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,840
yeah yeah and there's a lot there i

2500
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:26,000
agree with but we have to we have to

2501
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,159
kind of wrap this thing up a little bit

2502
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:29,920
and i think the best way to do that

2503
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,199
is with this predictions thing so maybe

2504
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:36,000
limited to one or sneak two in there but

2505
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:37,920
what are your

2506
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:42,080
bestest predictions for 2022

2507
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:43,360
so

2508
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,040
i have a two and a half prediction

2509
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,440
number one

2510
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,400
i think omicron

2511
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,119
may be godsend

2512
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:56,960
metaphorically speaking

2513
01:38:02,790 --> 01:37:59,679
because it achieves what

2514
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,800
none of the vaccines ever even tried to

2515
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:03,679
achieve

2516
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,040
which is

2517
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:07,600
bringing about herd immunity because as

2518
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:09,119
it looks now

2519
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:13,040
uh dr malone who invented the

2520
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,639
technology listened to his interview on

2521
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:16,639
a jimmy dore show he tells you

2522
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,800
explicitly you should never ever

2523
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,639
everybody knows this who but it's not

2524
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:22,480
scientists who's running this show it's

2525
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,800
it's political agenda and big pharma but

2526
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:27,840
you should never ever vaccinate during a

2527
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:29,280
pandemic

2528
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:32,320
apart from the very vulnerable and sick

2529
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,239
you should wait until after when it

2530
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:37,840
becomes endemic like the flu now

2531
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:39,199
one of the reasons you shouldn't do that

2532
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,960
just one i don't have time to go into

2533
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,840
this food

2534
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:43,920
is that you are preventing

2535
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,560
your humanity but here's the thing we

2536
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,400
now know from

2537
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,360
research that the best immunity is

2538
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:53,360
as it's always been it's nothing new

2539
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,360
what we learn in basic school is natural

2540
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,639
immunity

2541
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,440
combined with this that

2542
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,040
probably that's probably why it

2543
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:03,440
originated in africa because in africa

2544
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:04,239
they

2545
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,679
are almost not

2546
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,960
vaccinated

2547
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,840
so

2548
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,440
there omicron

2549
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,400
allegedly comes from and it has managed

2550
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,719
to get to where dr malone said namely

2551
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,239
being very very

2552
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:18,639
infectious even more than the gain of

2553
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:19,840
function

2554
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,440
research result of original carbon 19

2555
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:25,280
and so it's very very infectious but

2556
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,119
it's much less

2557
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,280
severe and that means that and when

2558
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,159
people get it they will be immune to

2559
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,320
future strains and past strains unlike

2560
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,560
the again the vaccine so this is my

2561
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,639
prediction is that if they are right

2562
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:40,239
that it is milder and but more

2563
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,600
infectious it may just be the

2564
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,119
thing that pushes

2565
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:47,679
people's collective paradigm over the

2566
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:49,760
top so they realize oh my god this is

2567
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,239
endemic not pandemic we have to learn to

2568
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:54,800
live with it everybody will get covered

2569
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,239
sooner or later which means that

2570
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,719
we should deal with it as norway did

2571
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,880
recently and classified it at the same

2572
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,719
level as the cold

2573
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:07,280
and the inf and the influenza and that

2574
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,520
means we cannot shut down society

2575
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,159
anymore because of that and so when

2576
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,320
people then even if it comes to harder

2577
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,920
corvid strain

2578
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,840
omicron has made sure you're immune

2579
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,320
that's my first prediction my second is

2580
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:21,840
i said two and a half that's because the

2581
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:24,960
second can go two ways

2582
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:27,440
so this either what will happen is that

2583
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:31,199
people will get so fed up with this uh

2584
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,320
fascism that's taking place now

2585
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,119
that they will rise up against it but we

2586
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:39,119
may need a little more time

2587
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,400
if we have

2588
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:42,480
more time because on the here's the

2589
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,920
other prediction and that's that they

2590
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,440
will nail

2591
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:46,719
the

2592
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,080
meaning bye-bye forever to basic

2593
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:56,719
freedoms and civil society and

2594
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,159
you know a complete takeover of all

2595
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:02,719
channels of media and communication

2596
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:06,639
complete censorship complete corporatism

2597
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:10,639
and unfortunately us so often uh if not

2598
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:11,679
always

2599
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,960
it's so dependent on american usa

2600
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,560
which we the rest of the world hates

2601
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:19,119
because we have to wait for that dumbed

2602
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:20,159
down

2603
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,520
just crushed population to to somehow

2604
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:28,239
manage to rise and the only

2605
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:31,280
outlets you have to rise up see it seems

2606
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,159
is to become more and more extremism

2607
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,719
extremist in um kind of a

2608
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,400
pseudo-fascistic

2609
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:40,000
like there's two kinds of fascism

2610
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,679
playing out playing out in america

2611
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:42,880
that's the

2612
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,600
top down fascism it's just real fascism

2613
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,520
which is the corporatism of the elites

2614
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,440
and then there's the bottom-up fascism

2615
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,280
which kind of is a reaction it's a

2616
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,440
reactionary thing to that

2617
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:55,679
but it's the only lane people have to go

2618
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,080
and and even that is being taken away

2619
01:42:02,149 --> 01:42:00,239
from them because it's being used as an

2620
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:02,159
excuse to smack down all sorts of

2621
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:03,440
political

2622
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,560
um

2623
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,960
dissidents so

2624
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:09,199
it's gonna go either further in that

2625
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:11,040
direction or the reaction from the

2626
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,840
people will manage to

2627
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,000
to to kick back but i'm becoming more

2628
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:18,000
and more pessimistic look at australia

2629
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,199
man oh my god so that's my predictions

2630
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,440
and unfortunately both were related to

2631
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,600
corvid

2632
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:27,119
you know i was about to

2633
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,400
i thought we were going to get through

2634
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,000
this whole thing

2635
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,000
without doing the covet thing but i

2636
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,000
guess it's inevitable

2637
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,000
particularly

2638
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,920
you're right i mean you can't talk about

2639
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,320
predictions for 2022

2640
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,719
and not you know talk about so what i'll

2641
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:44,560
do for my prediction

2642
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:45,520
is

2643
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,880
truth-seeking

2644
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:54,800
library in their head

2645
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,000
oh man go go revisit this on so many

2646
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:00,480
levels but it's an interview that was

2647
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:03,440
done by alex jones and i sometimes can

2648
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:04,239
get

2649
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,679
frustrated with alex jones but when i do

2650
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,600
i go back and listen to interviews like

2651
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:12,000
this and i remember

2652
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,280
that

2653
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,440
he has given us

2654
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,280
so so much so i don't know if he's

2655
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,840
co-opted i don't know anything like that

2656
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:21,920
but this is so

2657
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:24,639
uniquely wonderful and important it's an

2658
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,360
interview with aaron russo

2659
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:29,600
shortly before his death

2660
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:32,639
and it's about his experience

2661
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:35,440
with nick rockefeller so with a very

2662
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:38,560
very elite guy he was trying to

2663
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:41,520
who was telling him hey look he he one

2664
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:43,360
he he told him that 911 was going to

2665
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,239
happen

2666
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,159
point by point and then he said what was

2667
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,760
going to happen after it and that we

2668
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,360
were going to invade afghanistan then

2669
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,440
we're going to invade iraq he laid all

2670
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,159
this out months before and then he goes

2671
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,000
and tells him that what do you care

2672
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,840
about the rest of those people here's

2673
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:59,679
what we want to do we want to control

2674
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:00,960
everybody

2675
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,159
we want to vaccinate he said chip them

2676
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,400
but it's the same thing we want to have

2677
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:09,040
everybody under our control and he says

2678
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,360
why he said you know you got all the

2679
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:12,960
money in the world you got all the power

2680
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,360
in the world why do you need that but

2681
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,800
that's the other part of the clip that

2682
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,320
i'm not going to play here's the part of

2683
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,159
the clip that that i'll play and then

2684
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,239
i'll talk about

2685
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,000
it was done to create a fear in the

2686
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,600
american public

2687
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,360
right so that we will obey what they

2688
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,960
want us to do

2689
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,119
and the very take richard reid the shoe

2690
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:33,040
bomber here's the guy who was six foot

2691
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:36,880
six ugly as could be i heard he smelled

2692
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:39,679
okay he sits and coach on a plane

2693
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,360
lighting matches

2694
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:43,520
to put his shoe on fire surrounded by

2695
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:46,239
people that's idiotic if you were gonna

2696
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:48,880
blow up a plane you go into the bathroom

2697
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:50,960
you close the door and you put your shoe

2698
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,639
on fire you're not gonna sit there

2699
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,119
surrounded by people lighting matches

2700
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:58,159
okay so i love these long way around the

2701
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,199
barn

2702
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,960
kind of things

2703
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,119
but here's my point

2704
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,040
you still take your shoes off when you

2705
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:08,950
and

2706
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:11,119
when people say that it's going to

2707
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,239
change

2708
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:13,840
or maybe

2709
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,560
there's a light at the end of the tunnel

2710
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:19,280
i just remind them you still take your

2711
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,920
[\h__\h] shoes off

2712
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,440
and the reason you take off your shoes

2713
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,920
remember is because of this one

2714
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,920
idiotic crazy

2715
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:29,280
obviously

2716
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,639
operation

2717
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:33,520
guy who goes and does this as aaron

2718
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:36,800
russo talks about so my point is

2719
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,639
the the real

2720
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,880
only way out of this

2721
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:42,320
is love

2722
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,880
of light being that gladiator for light

2723
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:51,360
and not hating on anybody and not hating

2724
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:54,639
on the evil that is behind this because

2725
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:57,760
that don't work either that's their game

2726
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,880
now you're

2727
01:46:01,510 --> 01:46:00,320
one of them

2728
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:01,520
exactly

2729
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,119
think so many of us are one step closer

2730
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:09,440
to saying i'll make that [\h__\h] trade

2731
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:12,639
let me grind that guy into the ground

2732
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:13,440
and

2733
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:14,800
i think

2734
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:19,679
good always wins that's always the way

2735
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,480
the story ends and because i think as

2736
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:25,040
our friend miguel connor pointed out

2737
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,159
evil always turns stupid

2738
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,639
and we see evil turning stupid right

2739
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:32,639
before our eyes

2740
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,320
i think that there will continue to be

2741
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:38,880
a light emerging from this and i think

2742
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,600
it will begin to emerge in 22 but i

2743
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,920
don't think it's going to come

2744
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,159
in packaged in the way that most people

2745
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,760
think i don't think it's going to be

2746
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,679
particularly pleasant because i think

2747
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:51,600
these guys have a lot of

2748
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,679
a lot of bullets in the in the chamber

2749
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,600
that they can fire that that we have to

2750
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:57,280
be aware of

2751
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:59,440
yeah well

2752
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:00,719
so

2753
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:03,199
have we have we done it have we done our

2754
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,119
our job on let me brag uh i remember one

2755
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,520
prediction i made last year

2756
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:11,280
everybody thought trump was gonna pull

2757
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:12,639
it off

2758
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:15,679
but uh when you pushed me for

2759
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,400
ending i i i laid out i love scenario

2760
01:47:23,189 --> 01:47:20,000
thinking right so i laid out different

2761
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,199
scenarios you you didn't like it you

2762
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,679
wanted me to stick to our outcome and i

2763
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,600
said he's not gonna make it

2764
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,159
gonna be biden ah i was right about that

2765
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:34,550
and you didn't push me now so i don't

2766
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:38,080
have to you know evaluate the next year

2767
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:39,520
but the reason i think

2768
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:40,800
we should be accountable for our

2769
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:42,880
predictions is that if we are daring and

2770
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:44,960
it's our responsibility as host right if

2771
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:47,199
we are daring to make an an early yes

2772
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,000
it's not precognition it's an analysis

2773
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,719
we should substantiate what it's based

2774
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:54,159
on right and

2775
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,679
and

2776
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:57,840
yeah we should we should point to elaine

2777
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:01,199
and and say in afterwards why didn't it

2778
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:03,520
happen like that or why did i think it

2779
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:06,000
went like that so yeah that's all i'm

2780
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:07,760
saying well that's a good one i think

2781
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:09,280
you should point to that of course he

2782
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,239
didn't

2783
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:12,639
really win i mean they rigged it in the

2784
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,679
most dramatic way fast possible which is

2785
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,280
kind of interesting but i think your

2786
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,320
your point is super you you totally got

2787
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:21,840
that prediction because the prediction

2788
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,880
was

2789
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,719
trump wouldn't make it biden would

2790
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,560
prevail and i think it's

2791
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,560
he did it was the

2792
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:30,239
incredible what they what they pulled up

2793
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:32,080
it was so you know i recently

2794
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,960
interviewed a steven snyder from

2795
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,639
recluse who you're going to interview on

2796
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,199
your show from the pharmacist

2797
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,520
great i i love what what he said when i

2798
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,960
asked him that question because he's

2799
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,000
kind of a little bit more of a

2800
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,480
left-leaning guy and he said

2801
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,639
just what surprised me is how in your

2802
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:51,679
face the rigging of the election was how

2803
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,080
obvious it was and i think he is spot on

2804
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:58,800
it's it's not the surprise that they

2805
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:00,239
rigged the election they rigged all the

2806
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:02,400
elections it's just that they did it in

2807
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,199
a way where they had 106 percent voter

2808
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:07,119
turnout in wisconsin

2809
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,920
and you don't usually get that if they

2810
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,840
you don't get it where it's reported you

2811
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:13,440
know but anyways

2812
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,080
yeah now it goes to the

2813
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,440
a bigger tendency i discussed this with

2814
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,280
steven schneider actually when i had him

2815
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:23,440
on and the show is just not released to

2816
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:25,119
to neither the public nor the

2817
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,639
subscribers yet

2818
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:28,960
it's waiting with the 15 other shows in

2819
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,599
editing this one will be pushed ahead by

2820
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,960
the way

2821
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,400
but he said

2822
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,639
we discussed uh

2823
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,040
look he said the elites today are so

2824
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:41,040
stupid they're more dumber than they

2825
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,719
were used to be and that's a point you

2826
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,400
and me have fleshed out earlier if you

2827
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:45,840
remember

2828
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:47,199
and

2829
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,080
so because i i said is it that or is it

2830
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,639
that just that they have now so much

2831
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,320
control that they're just being bracent

2832
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,719
about it they're not pretending back in

2833
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,800
the day they were pretending

2834
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,639
even though that we didn't have internet

2835
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,080
or anything

2836
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:05,199
there was a certain standard you had to

2837
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:06,000
to

2838
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,880
not a believability what's the word but

2839
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,960
you know what i mean right believability

2840
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:15,280
i think it's perfect okay so but they

2841
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:17,360
don't have that anymore is that because

2842
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,159
the incompetence is so extreme combined

2843
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,040
with the extreme power or if it be is it

2844
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,199
because the power is now so extreme it

2845
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,199
doesn't matter if people know what's

2846
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,599
going on in many ways

2847
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:32,000
you you are excused for having that view

2848
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,840
because look at the assange case the

2849
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,080
assange case isn't about assange it's

2850
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:38,400
not even about wikileaks it's a it's

2851
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:41,760
about everyone else it's about

2852
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,360
if you even try to entertain the thought

2853
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:47,280
of [\h__\h] with us

2854
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:49,360
we're gonna screw you

2855
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,360
six times from sunday so deep that

2856
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:55,199
just a shell of a human being will be

2857
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,560
left know your place know your lane

2858
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,320
we have taken over

2859
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:01,920
it's done

2860
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:03,599
this and assange isn't the only one you

2861
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:04,320
have

2862
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,119
stephen this lawyer in new york now is

2863
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:09,280
don singer look into that case folks

2864
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:12,480
it's incredible that's the law system

2865
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:16,480
uh just exposes the american uh judicial

2866
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,199
system for what it is so i'm not sure

2867
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:22,080
alex and i want your input on this is it

2868
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,880
just

2869
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:24,719
the an extreme incompetence and

2870
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,599
stupidity and arrogance

2871
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,880
combined with their

2872
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,800
extreme power now because of technology

2873
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,960
and all that or is it that

2874
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,520
they just don't care anymore

2875
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:37,520
because they always i said to recluse i

2876
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:40,719
said to him stephen i said to him look

2877
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:43,199
yes the elite is more inbred and stupid

2878
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,800
than ever but they hire experts that's

2879
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,480
what they always do for anything they

2880
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,199
want to do they find the brains we've

2881
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,440
talked about that to alex they find them

2882
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,679
certain things that we want it's going

2883
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,440
that direction so there's not a lack of

2884
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,000
brains out there and there's not a lack

2885
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,280
of opportunity to turn the brains

2886
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,360
onto their team and work for them that's

2887
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:07,920
what most of us do anyway right

2888
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,119
so

2889
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,280
um yeah that's the big question what do

2890
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,800
you think

2891
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:14,960
i think you make a great point

2892
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,000
and it's well i didn't but i want you to

2893
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:20,000
say which one of those two is there

2894
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:21,679
stupidity

2895
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:25,440
i i think the point that you make is

2896
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:27,599
you can be stupid and hire smart people

2897
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,360
if you have money and if you own the

2898
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,679
printing press that prints all the money

2899
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,199
it kind of affords you a lot of

2900
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:36,239
opportunities but at the same time i

2901
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:39,920
agree that there's a certain sloppiness

2902
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:44,880
that i wouldn't immediately dismiss as

2903
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,360
brazen in your face i don't care if you

2904
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:50,320
know it some of it just looks sloppy it

2905
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,440
looks like it has no nothing to gain

2906
01:52:59,109 --> 01:52:55,760
by being sloppy i don't know why you run

2907
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,119
this operation and israel is the

2908
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,360
zionists are one of your allies and they

2909
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,080
become the most jabbed people on earth

2910
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:06,960
with more boosters than anyone else that

2911
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,560
i don't know how that fits into your pla

2912
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,040
did you really plan on doing that and

2913
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,960
the people in africa and brazil and

2914
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:14,800
these other countries they're not not so

2915
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:17,920
much india not so much you know was that

2916
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:20,560
part of your plan no that wasn't part of

2917
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:22,719
the plan they'll be able to recover and

2918
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:24,639
and do that but you know what i'm saying

2919
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:26,480
i don't want to get too far a field here

2920
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,960
because we got to wrap this up but no i

2921
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,360
i think your your larger point both

2922
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,599
those points that are kind of

2923
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:35,520
intertwined with what you're saying

2924
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,360
i think are important is

2925
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,760
no they're not that smart but don't

2926
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,360
count them out because they can still

2927
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,119
hire some brains

2928
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:45,840
yeah they always turn to brute force

2929
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,800
when a manipulation game doesn't work

2930
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,350
what a sad note to end on

2931
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,000
well we don't know how the game gets

2932
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:57,840
played but

2933
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:01,199
we know who wins in the end and who wins

2934
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,320
are the people who stay true to the

2935
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,560
to the light to the light in their heart

2936
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,239
because that's the only thing that

2937
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,119
matters you beautifully said it earlier

2938
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,599
this exercise we're in is a preparation

2939
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,880
for

2940
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,239
a transition

2941
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:18,719
it can't be otherwise that isn't even

2942
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:21,520
that isn't even esoteric or metaphysical

2943
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:23,840
it's just [\h__\h] common sense how can

2944
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:26,159
it be otherwise how else would it make

2945
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:27,599
any sense

2946
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,560
so

2947
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:30,560
that's that's where we really come

2948
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,880
together you and i out and

2949
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,719
you know when you stay anchored in that

2950
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,360
kind of reality everything else kind of

2951
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:39,679
becomes a lot easier to deal with

2952
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:42,880
oh man and let's not forget this

2953
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:46,080
life we're living it's just a drop in

2954
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,000
the big cosmos it's just uh

2955
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,719
it's it's it was shakespeare said life

2956
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:55,520
is a scene something like that yeah so

2957
01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:58,320
let's not lose about respect

2958
01:55:01,030 --> 01:55:00,159
yeah so let's not lose perspective

2959
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:01,040
either

2960
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,599
that we are here to learn something

2961
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,920
experience something and what we take

2962
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,159
away from it it really works matter

2963
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:10,800
that's why you and me are trying to pick

2964
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:12,800
open the door into the other side so we

2965
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:15,360
can get some reassurance of the bigger

2966
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,360
perspective that

2967
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:19,119
life isn't just

2968
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:19,760
it's

2969
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:33,920
and

2970
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:44,480
distinguish that's why the means never

2971
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,719
excuse the goal

2972
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:48,239
in other words

2973
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:55,990
an old cliche but but yeah i i i think

2974
01:55:59,830 --> 01:55:56,960
it's true

2975
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,840
beautifully said and maybe that's where

2976
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:02,159
we should leave it yeah my friend it's

2977
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:04,239
been awesome this will become a

2978
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:05,920
tradition it's so

2979
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:08,719
enriching for me what a great way to

2980
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,360
feel that i've wrapped up the year so

2981
01:56:14,950 --> 01:56:13,440
thanks so much for doing this

2982
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,960
and happy new year

2983
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:16,480
you too

2984
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:18,480
thanks again to al borealis for joining

2985
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:21,040
me today on skeptico the one question i

2986
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:23,920
tee up from this show is what was your

2987
01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:27,119
favorite skeptico or forum borealis

2988
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,920
moment of

2989
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,480
2021.

2990
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,800
let me know track me down find me

2991
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,119
okay 2021 you're gone

2992
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:38,000
2022 bring it down we're ready

2993
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:42,410
until next time take care bye for now